It's worked well for decades. Not sure exactly why they felt they had to mess with it for the GMT900s.
Not only will they save money, they'll help their fullsize vehicle range seem more successful, as people will see more of them everywhere... Look how often you see GMT800s, GMT400s, and even 73-87s (73-91 for the SUVs) around... then realize a good chunk of these are Tahoes, Yukons, Suburbans, older Blazers/Jimmys, but all of them are clearly the same thing. From the front, you can't even tell. (When you've got one following you.)
Then if you add the 2500 and 3500 pickups to the mix (which ALSO used to have the exact same sheetmetal as the other fullsizes) it's no wonder the GMT400s seemed ubiquitous back in the day.
That pie is now split in three (1500 pickups, SUVs, heavy duty pickups).
Yukon Denali XL
Yukon Denali EXT
The Yukon EXT/Denali EXT would replace the Escalade EXT since it would sell at much higher volumes and help offset the cost of the Avalanche.
The Tahoe/Suburban/Avalanche/Silverado would have the same front styling
Yukon/YukonXL/Yukon EXT/Sierra would have the same front styling
All LD Denali models would have the same styling
HD Silverado/Sierra/Denali would have unique to HD styling.
This reduces the current styling differences from the current seven (2 different Chevrolet and 2 different GMC LD front styling and 1 Chevrolet HS, 1 GMC HD and 1 Denali HD) to five (one for each LD model with only the Denali and HD models retaining their own look).
Denali and Escalade models would offer the 4.5L Turbo Diesel and both would get higher quality interiors.
The Denali line adds a high performance "Raptor-like" model to replace the H2/H2T.
On the "On Road" side there would be a Denali to compete with the Range Rover Sport.
The Denali lineup would gain a few vehicles to broaden the U.S. and Global sales market since the Sierra sell just about the same number of units outside of NA, GM needs to boost this untapped segment. Time for GMC to replace Hummer and go after some new global customers and make a move into Europe with the full Denali line sold through Opel dealers (like they are paired with Buick here) since the sales volume will not be high, GM needs to focus on profit margins per sale and get the sales Hummer used to get and expand on it with the high performance on road model.
Escalade would have a new top level to compete with the Range Rover and Lexus LX with height adjustable suspensions, adjustable suspension/transfer case diff lock settings to provide excellent on road handling with above average off-road capablilities.
Expansion at the plant can permit overflow production of LD crew-cabs.
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Of course, Europe had almost a year to get their crap together with their bailout package and still have not figured out a way out their mess. And there was a conference held by a hedge fund last year that stated: "All possible outcomes for Greece are negative.".
GM can't come out soon enough with the next Verano, Astra hatchback and Orlando. Maybe they should make sure they come out with the Malibu because it's still badly needed. But, hang on to your hats folks. It may hit the fan next month because now Europe is actually cornered.
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I think it's a combination of the three.
From my personal perspective, the second factor, the fact that it's really a lowly Chevrolet, is what kills the deal and renders the Escalade a complete joke in my eyes. It's no more than putting a Sedan DeVille front clip onto an old Caprice body and calling it a Cadillac. That doesn't cut the muster. GM will have to give the Escalade platform some sort of premium features, such as IRS or a multi-link front setup to set it apart from its lesser brethren.
Like it or not, that's what the customers PAYING FOR THE HIGH-MARGIN VEHICLES demand.
For such Cadillac "fans", it's difficult to understand why so many of you are not only satisfied with, but demand Cadillac remain, a second-rate product.
We own a 2007 Yukon XL Denali and dearly love it. We will be ready to replace it in 2015-17.....and would love to see a new Yukon and Escalade out then.
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2007 Yukon XL Denali
2012 Porsche 911 Carrera S
Think of it this way: the people happy with the Escalade as it is certainly aren't going to stop buying them if they became more sophisticated. But until Cadillac fixes the "cheap" aspects of it, it will continue to drag down the Cadillac brand. In other words, you can sell a rich man's car to a poor man, but you can't sell a poor man's car to a rich man.
You, and mbukukanyau, and the rest of the rah-rah-gang have yet to answer why you're so adamant about Cadillac remaining a second-rate product incapable of drawing in the most discerning customers. People like you call me a "snob" when your platform is based solely on your laughable "class war" mentality. You, like the rest of the katzenjammer kids, have that "f--- them rich snobs" mentality, and willfully push those customers to other luxury brands. You cut off your nose to spite your face, and frankly, I find that line of thinking not only foolish, but outright stupid. So if Cadillac is happy with the Escalade being the car of choice for white trash lottery winners, first-generation-on-Wall-Street Jersey guidos, and every hood rat who lives in his mama's rec room to afford the lease payments on his "Sclade", then so be it. But don't give me lip when I point that fact out, because it's you, not me, demanding that Cadillac perpetuate its practice of appealing only to the market's lowest-hanging fruit.
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I hope they make the Yukon and Tahoe/ Suburban a little more different this time around. The exteriors are both good looking and different enough, but the interiors are exactly the same!
I think Cadillac has excellent design, quality, and image. Sure theres more than few things that could be fixed up, but I really don't think the term "second-rate" fits Cadillac....but demand Cadillac remain, a second-rate product.
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Opel + USA + NOW =
- 2010 BMW 535i Touring, 2010 Cadillac SRX4 Turbo, 2008 Chevrolet Suburban LTZ
- 2005 Cadillac SRX V8, 2005 GMC Yukon XL Denali, 2004 Cadillac Escalade ESV, 2002 Chevrolet Suburban LT, 2000 Chevrolet Suburban, 1993 Saab 900 Hatchback, 1991 BMW 3 Series Coupé
Napolean & some of his descendants might light Miatas & other sub-compacts, but the men in my family don't fit in the Jr. sized cars. I'm 6'5 and there's no way for me to drive one of those little things because my legs would be jammed up against the steering wheel. I'm waiting for the new Suburbans to come out, wish they would be here next year.
It was awhile ago, but somewhere I read that the average income of someone that purchases an Escalade is close to $100k/yr. I could be wrong but if it's true then I'm certain they don't fall into the category I bolded.
Thay would include my black uncle who has never stayed in the hood, is retired from Dupont, owns his own house, and really bought his "Slade" (the correct nickname) because he wanted something that stands out and had enough room for his two grandchildren. (it's a Green GMT800)
and no......he didn't put rims on it either.
I get the point you are trying to prove, but that stereotype is just as lame as mullets and Camaros, gold chains and Corvettes.
So how bout you do this site a favor and keep comments like that off your keyboard and in your mind.
Marty, Arlington did not win out over Janesville in 1997 to produce GMT400s. Janesville made those, as well as GMT800 and GMT900. Also, Janesville is not shuttered, it is idle and on stand-by. Janesville's announcement will come soon. Bet on it.
Your level of alleged ignorance is beyond belief, I usually find that those who are always calling others something...really subconciously feel that is what they are....your level of respect is appalling and something I guarantee does not carry to real life. Don't say or do anything virtually that you would not do in reality is a good thing to live by.
Back to the thread, I wander if GM will stick its "light" hybrid system under the new BOFs. Other than diesel and weight reduction (only so much you can do to take weight out, unless you get creative in choice of materials) not much else can be done to get the mpgs up.................If they do,and they will do to CAFE, they will not be able to keep them on the dealer lots..........mark my words.
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