GM orders 100,000 Hitachi Lithium-Ion Batteries BAS+ comming soon

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by psece

As far as the Hitachi increasing production volume capacity, everything I have read is that these are standardized batteries. They can be used in everything from cars to laptops. Is there any detail to state why they think these are for vehicles only?

Well, here is what happened based on reading at other sources.

Reuters mixed up the use of the words "cell" and "battery".

Others may have done that a different way

Since they did it on a part time basis its a PIA to correct and explain so.... no go.

What matters is that this announcement when presented properly and with just a little more info makes 'sense' and represents good news for GM.

[BlueMontreal]

Originally Posted by Joe in T.O.

Why would they make the announcement to cancel the Hybrid Malibu then?

Because GM is getting ready to introduce BAS V2.0 (at least, I hope).

We tend to neglect BAS. It's beautiful, simple, affordable and compact system.

Every non-bas hybrid midsize car has a small trunk. BAS is a system that doesn't sacrifice too much space and that most midsize car shoppers can afford.

[GM-10]

Originally Posted by Exploder

Uhm...the link about BAS+ is from March 2008...

I'm glad someone else knows how to read before they react.

[PistonsFan]

Originally Posted by Exploder

Uhm...the link about BAS+ is from March 2008...

Originally Posted by GM-10

I'm glad someone else knows how to read before they react.

The 2008 press release was just posted as background information on BAS+.

The article that is the basis of this thread is current (July 2, 2009) and is very relevant.

[plane]

Originally Posted by PistonsFan

The 2008 press release was just posted as background information on BAS+.

The article that is the basis of this thread is current (July 2, 2009) and is very relevant.

I'm glad someone else knows how to explain what someone else should have read before they posted about someone else posting something not relevant to the thread. Which, in fact, if someone else had actually read the most recent article that was written by someone else about BAS+, someone else might have garnered a differeent conclusion and someone else might not have posted that someone else had posted something not relevant to the thread, which of course is very timely and relevant for BAS+ and for this thread, which was started by someone else.


I'm glad I could help someone else clear that up.

[stormwatcher]

Originally Posted by BlueMontreal

We tend to neglect BAS. It's beautiful, simple, affordable and compact system.

Maybe beautiful in theory but largely useless in practise.

I certainly hope BAS+ has some real merit to it.

[goblue]

Originally Posted by stormwatcher

Maybe beautiful in theory but largely useless in practise.

I certainly hope BAS+ has some real merit to it.

Actually, I've heard real world is pretty good - the problem its not optimized for the EPA test cycle like the Prius is.

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by plane

I'm glad someone else knows how to explain what someone else should have read before they posted about someone else posting something not relevant to the thread. Which, in fact, if someone else had actually read the most recent article that was written by someone else about BAS+, someone else might have garnered a differeent conclusion and someone else might not have posted that someone else had posted something not relevant to the thread, which of course is very timely and relevant for BAS+ and for this thread, which was started by someone else.


I'm glad I could help someone else clear that up.

Strong Candidate for Post of the Quarter.

Deals with a universal phenomena in the way many would like to but don't because of the typing involved.

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Originally Posted by goblue

Actually, I've heard real world is pretty good - the problem its not optimized for the EPA test cycle like the Prius is.

Same over here.

Quite possibly when under highly optimal conditions one of the very best gassers at exceeding its specified mpg on a percentage basis.

[plane]

Originally Posted by stormwatcher

Maybe beautiful in theory but largely useless in practise.

Based on what? Conjecture?
Do you own a BAS hybrid?

[adplusone]

So after reading all this thread...this small block Chevy building old dude is still confused.

How many vehicles does GM have to build to meet this committment of 100k batteries?

Does the BAS+ use more than one battery per vehicle?

Is this a new technology for GM?

What US vehicles might it have an application for?

[Dr. Show-Me]

From what I've read, BAS+ or something very similar will be needed on almost all vehicles to meet CAFE standards. I read that in the future, the concept of an engine running at a stoplight will seem quaint, because all vehicles will be off at stoplights, thus saving fuel and reducing pollution. If you think in terms of 10-15% higher city fuel economy, the savings and reduced pollution will pay for itself. A car rated at 20 city/30 highway becomes 22 or 23 city/30 highway. Or if a 30 city, becomes 33 or 34 city. Expect to see this on almost all cars.

[goblue]

Originally Posted by Dr. Show-Me

From what I've read, BAS+ or something very similar will be needed on almost all vehicles to meet CAFE standards. I read that in the future, the concept of an engine running at a stoplight will seem quaint, because all vehicles will be off at stoplights, thus saving fuel and reducing pollution. If you think in terms of 10-15% higher city fuel economy, the savings and reduced pollution will pay for itself. A car rated at 20 city/30 highway becomes 22 or 23 city/30 highway. Or if a 30 city, becomes 33 or 34 city. Expect to see this on almost all cars.

Exactly - its a transition to VOLTEC for everything else. It's actually really smart of GM to produce BAS II and get this right - its insurance. My understanding is it costs significantly less than a diesel.

[BlueMontreal]

Originally Posted by goblue

Actually, I've heard real world is pretty good - the problem its not optimized for the EPA test cycle like the Prius is.

Malibu LS (4 cylinders, 4 speed auto) : 8.2 L/100 km (combined); trunk size : 428 L
Malibu Hybrid : 6.9 L /100 km; trunk size : 381 L.

['Vette Dude]

BAS would have even better results in V6's and V8's because they burn even more gas at a stop light than an I4.

[stormwatcher]

Originally Posted by plane

Do you own a BAS hybrid?

Does anyone own a BAS hybrid?

GM sold 134 Saturn Aura BAS hybrids this year. Hardly a rip-roaring success. The Malibu BAS hybrid sales came in at 2,142 to the end of May.

Originally Posted by goblue

Exactly - its a transition to VOLTEC for everything else.

BAS+ nothing to do with VOLTEC. VOLTEC will have to prove itself all on its own. And in spite of GM pumping out constant VOLTEC hype, this will take years.

Originally Posted by goblue

It's actually really smart of GM to produce BAS II and get this right - its insurance.

Why is it smart to produce BAS+? GM has a terrible track record on hybrids so far. Why will the more expensive while still promising modest mileage improvements BAS+ fare any better?

Originally Posted by goblue

My understanding is it costs significantly less than a diesel.

Which still leaves the question of why the public will want to buy BAS+.

I predict GM will be lucky, very lucky, to sell 20,000 BAS+ hyrbids in their first year.