GM hangs on to its share of market

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by nsap

Did you read the article? GM's share is STABILIZING. Their sales are going to continue to drop, because they are selling less FLEET. Retail (the sales to actual customers) is UP.

You need to get your own facts straight before telling others to do such. Your arguments hold little ground, but I guess that is to everyone else's advantage.

I think you should just block me out from this tread like you always do. Every time i present facts and point out why gm is losing market share and money. I get blocked. So i will not respond to your coments because you will just block me out.

[pennyhank]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

I am not saying that gm should of stop selling trucks and suvs. They should sell them. Because of them. GM pushed back EPII, Zeta, DeltaII. This is why GM is not doing good with retail customers. If they did not igonre these products They would have market share of at least 25%. Maybe they should of just updated silverado and tahoe. This trucks are losing 20% in sales each month. How much worst woudl they do if they just updated those trucks. Let say that gm just updated trucks and sales went down 40%. But if they Made EpII, DeltaII and zeta platform on time sales would go up and offset decline in trucks. Gm would not lose any market share. Again this is part of bad leadership at gm. They are to blame. NOt American Consumer. Consumers are going to buy best product out there. (LIke GMT 900) and they will not buy (Cobalt, IMpala(impala is a fleet king)and aveo). Everybody on this site is blaming consumers for mess that gm is in. Well its not their falult it is GM leaders fault.

I'm curious as to how you come up with "GM is not doing good with retail customers" Their retail share is higher than any other company. Toyota is second with 18.6% and any gain they have made is at the expense of ford and chrysler as gm's share of retail has not changed. When gm had a market share of 25% and up they were dumping hundreds of thousands of cars in fleets and selling retail for no profit or at a loss.

[GMC-70]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

Yes but toyota also had New Yaris out, New camry out and camry hybrid, New Prius out. They had scion. So what did gm had that was competitiee with any of those cars. Nothing. That is the difference between toyota and gm. Toyota has more fuel efficient cars.

Uhhh let me see --New Aura, Aura mild hybrid, Malibu, HHR and stop with the Prius. Everyone knows its just a billboard for tree-huggers and people who perceive they are actually making a statement.

[psece]

The most important fact is that GM has raised Retail Sales while not losing any market share for the first quarter of 2008. THAT IS GREAT NEWS. Retail sales equals more profit. Anyone who spins it differently with crap about Trucks/SUVs, or pushing out the GMT900 early has no real understanding of Auto Business.

[nsap]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

I think you should just block me out from this tread like you always do. Every time i present facts and point out why gm is losing market share and money. I get blocked. So i will not respond to your coments because you will just block me out.

LOL. No, you usually get blocked out (and not by me..I have done so once) because you rant about the same **** over and over withOUT using facts. Which suggests to us that you are only here to cause a flame war, which is easy to believe by the way....

You are one of those people that thinks their opinion is fact, and uses it as such. When in fact, you don't know anything.

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by pennyhank

I'm curious as to how you come up with "GM is not doing good with retail customers" Their retail share is higher than any other company. Toyota is second with 18.6% and any gain they have made is at the expense of ford and chrysler as gm's share of retail has not changed. When gm had a market share of 25% and up they were dumping hundreds of thousands of cars in fleets and selling retail for no profit or at a loss.

How much of market share did Toyota and honda have 10 years ago?
How much do they have now?
How much did gm have and how much now?
This will tell you that gm is losing and toyota and honda are gaining. Toyota could soon pass GM. That is what's scary.

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by nsap

LOL. No, you usually get blocked out (and not by me..I have done so once) because you rant about the same **** over and over withOUT using facts. Which suggests to us that you are only here to cause a flame war, which is easy to believe by the way....

You are one of those people that thinks their opinion is fact, and uses it as such. When in fact, you don't know anything.

hahah I do not not NSAP I get blocked here all the time. Just for giving my own opinion or presenting facts. You know NSAP when i see that something is wrong i will say it. I just can not say that gm is doing good when they are not. I cant that is just the way i am. IF something stinks you should say that it stinks.

[pennyhank]

Originally Posted by nsap

Did you read the article? GM's share is STABILIZING. Their sales are going to continue to drop, because they are selling less FLEET. Retail (the sales to actual customers) is UP.

You need to get your own facts straight before telling others to do such. Your arguments hold little ground, but I guess that is to everyone else's advantage.

I don't pretend to know a lot about blogging. I read this sight everyday, but I don't post much.
At what point when every single post is arguementive and negative do you ban someone who is an obvious troll? I hope I'm not out of line but When a guy bashes gm on 100 percent of his posts it really gets old.

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by GMC-70

Uhhh let me see --New Aura, Aura mild hybrid, Malibu, HHR and stop with the Prius. Everyone knows its just a billboard for tree-huggers and people who perceive they are actually making a statement.

I agree with you that Prius is for tree huggers. But why didnt gm make that vehicle for tree huggers instead of toyota? Why did GM make hummer they could of made Prius. Which one would be better for the company. That tree hugger vehicle or Military hummer ? Ask your self that question.

[pennyhank]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

How much of market share did Toyota and honda have 10 years ago?
How much do they have now?
How much did gm have and how much now?
This will tell you that gm is losing and toyota and honda are gaining. Toyota could soon pass GM. That is what's scary.

I have no idea what anybody had 10 years ago and neither do you. If you want to make a claim, back it up with facts.

[GMC-70]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

I agree with you that Prius is for tree huggers. But why didnt gm make that vehicle for tree huggers instead of toyota? Why did GM make hummer they could of made Prius. Which one would be better for the company. That tree hugger vehicle or Military hummer ? Ask your self that question.

They did ten years ago with the EV1---not sure what happend with that whole fiasco but your point is taken--They are a little late in the game but the 900's are now available as full hybrids---even though the average person couldnt afford one.

Nobody stated that GM doesnt makes mistakes, but when you say that they have nothing to offer its just complete crap. They need to work on getting some more small cars out there and the addition of the Astra helps, but nobody outside of car guys knows about it.

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by GMC-70

They did ten years ago with the EV1---not sure what happend with that whole fiasco but your point is taken--They are a little late in the game but the 900's are now available as full hybrids---even though the average person couldnt afford one.

Nobody stated that GM makes mistakes, but when you say that they have nothing to offer its just complete crap. They need to work on getting some more small cars out there and the addition of the Astra helps, but nobody outside of car guys knows about it.

Like you said people buy hybrids for the image, to make a statment. Now hybrid suv does not make a good image. At 50k it even makes less since. How many of those did gm sell? There is article on Motortrend.com that gm sold about 900 of them in 3 months. Which makes since. Who wants to pay 50k and get 20mpg. It is good for full size suv but it still sucks. IT is only 20mpg

[unkillsam]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

Like you said people buy hybrids for the image, to make a statment. Now hybrid suv does not make a good image. At 50k it even makes less since. How many of those did gm sell? There is article on Motortrend.com that gm sold about 900 of them in 3 months. Which makes since. Who wants to pay 50k and get 20mpg. It is good for full size suv but it still sucks. IT is only 20mpg

Then bash lexus too. That is why you are a troll.

Tahoe get's 50% better economy in the city.

L600h get's .0000001% better economy.

Looks like GM wins to me.

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by unkillsam

Then bash lexus too. That is why you are a troll.

Tahoe get's 50% better economy in the city.

L600h get's .0000001% better economy.

Looks like GM wins to me.

haha I agree. Lexus LS hybrid is just stupid. I do not know what person would buy that. If you had any brain left it would not make since to pay so much more and get nothing in return. That vehicle is just stupid i agree with you. Tahoe hybrid does not make much since sorry. It would make more since in cobalt and malibu alot more. Think about this if gm put two mode in cobalt and got 60mpg and 50mpg in malibu. Imagine how much more good publicity they would get.

[nsap]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

haha I agree. Lexus LS hybrid is just stupid. I do not know what person would buy that. If you had any brain left it would not make since to pay so much more and get nothing in return. That vehicle is just stupid i agree with you. Tahoe hybrid does not make much since sorry. It would make more since in cobalt and malibu alot more.

At least the Tahoe has a point. There are people that need a full-size SUV regardless. At least they now have a choice to buy something that does get noticeably better fuel economy.