GM hangs on to its share of market

[unkillsam]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

I am not saying that gm should of stop selling trucks and suvs. They should sell them. Because of them. GM pushed back EPII, Zeta, DeltaII. This is why GM is not doing good with retail customers. If they did not igonre these products They would have market share of at least 25%. Maybe they should of just updated silverado and tahoe. This trucks are losing 20% in sales each month. How much worst woudl they do if they just updated those trucks. Let say that gm just updated trucks and sales went down 40%. But if they Made EpII, DeltaII and zeta platform on time sales would go up and offset decline in trucks. Gm would not lose any market share. Again this is part of bad leadership at gm. They are to blame. NOt American Consumer. Consumers are going to buy best product out there. (LIke GMT 900) and they will not buy (Cobalt, IMpala(impala is a fleet king)and aveo). Everybody on this site is blaming consumers for mess that gm is in. Well its not their falult it is GM leaders fault.

Why don't you get your fact's straight.

Cobalt and Impala have improved their retail/fleet ratio and I have never seen 1 Aveo in a fleet in SE Pennsylvania.

Do you know how long it takes to develop a new platform? My guess is no. The GMT-800 platform lasted from 1998-2007 GM had their truck on the same platform, basic engine design, and the same transmissions for 9 years. They had to update because of the 04 F150 and they knew the Tundra was coming.

By pushing up the GMT-900 program, GM prevented itself from loosing further sales to Ford and Toyota and made a lot of profitable sales in 2006 before the collapse of truck sales.

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by vanshmack

The GMT-800 trucks would have celebrated their 10th birthday this year. A simple "update" would have left you and other critics complaining that GM didn't do enough to keep them competitive. With you and others like you, GM will never win. You clamor for world class vehicles, yet you suggest they should just put a band-aid on their biggest sellers.

I'm glad you don't run my company.

Trucks and Suvs are finished. Most people would not care if silverado and tahoe was not compettive. Price of gas will just go up and suv and truck sales will go down. SO why did they ignore market for small and midsize cars?????
I am glad that rick is running company and losing billions each year and lost 10% of market share in 10 years . I am glad that he is running this company, I am glad that he lost 50 billion in Share holders value. What a great leader to have. I do not think that you could find better one.

[unkillsam]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

so youre saying they shouldve ditched theyre money makers and made cars that people wont buy? perception is a huge thing that needs to be conquered- and that doesnt happen in one model year, that takes awhile.

People will not buy cars???? What planet do you live on. Last time i Checked fastest growing market is in small cars. Car sales are going Up. Suv and truck sales have collapesed.
People will not buy cars like lacrosse, cobalt and aveo. They buy cars like Civic, accord, camry, fit, yaris corrola. That is what they buy[/quote]

If cars are that important please explain the Tundra, and then compare that effort to the effort that Toyota put into the 2009 Corolla.

Clearly Toyota thought that the Tundra was more important.

[unkillsam]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

Trucks and Suvs are finished. Most people would not care if silverado and tahoe was not compettive. Price of gas will just go up and suv and truck sales will go down. SO why did they ignore market for small and midsize cars?????
I am glad that rick is running company and losing billions each year and lost 10% of market share in 10 years . I am glad that he is running this company

Like I said Toyota pushed back the Corolla for the Tundra launch. And you complain about GM????

[tgagneguam]

I know some people think GM should hand sales away to its competitors to become a stronger company(?!), but I like to hear news like this. Next year, I'd like to see GM gain retail share. Sinister, I know, but it's a wish I have, nonetheless.

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by unkillsam

Why don't you get your fact's straight.

Cobalt and Impala have improved their retail/fleet ratio and I have never seen 1 Aveo in a fleet in SE Pennsylvania.

Do you know how long it takes to develop a new platform? My guess is no. The GMT-800 platform lasted from 1998-2007 GM had their truck on the same platform, basic engine design, and the same transmissions for 9 years. They had to update because of the 04 F150 and they knew the Tundra was coming.

By pushing up the GMT-900 program, GM prevented itself from loosing further sales to Ford and Toyota and made a lot of profitable sales in 2006 before the collapse of truck sales.

It seems to me that gm is losing sales each year. So maybe you should get your facts straight.

[tgagneguam]

Originally Posted by paul8488

On a separate note, I learned in school that you were never to start a sentence with 'But'! If journalists in major news outlets can't use proper grammar, can we rag on kids (and adults for that matter) for not doing it either? Was I taught wrong... is 'But' acceptable?

Yes, you absolutely can start a sentence with a conjunction; don't believe everything you were taught in grammar or secondary school. Done properly, it can make for colorful, interesting writing.

And you don't need an English degree to know that! (See, a perfectly fine sentence.)

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by unkillsam

Like I said Toyota pushed back the Corolla for the Tundra launch. And you complain about GM????

Yes but toyota also had New Yaris out, New camry out and camry hybrid, New Prius out. They had scion. So what did gm had that was competitiee with any of those cars. Nothing. That is the difference between toyota and gm. Toyota has more fuel efficient cars.

[paul8488]

But I was so sure that you couldn't start a sentence with a conjunction. And I'm going to stand by my conviction. So hopefully we can remain friends, despite our grammatical differences, tgagneguam. Or is this is too hard on you, we can go our separate ways.

[CobaltSScrazy]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

I am not saying that gm should of stop selling trucks and suvs. They should sell them. Because of them. GM pushed back EPII, Zeta, DeltaII. This is why GM is not doing good with retail customers. If they did not igonre these products They would have market share of at least 25%. Maybe they should of just updated silverado and tahoe. This trucks are losing 20% in sales each month. How much worst woudl they do if they just updated those trucks. Let say that gm just updated trucks and sales went down 40%. But if they Made EpII, DeltaII and zeta platform on time sales would go up and offset decline in trucks. Gm would not lose any market share. Again this is part of bad leadership at gm. They are to blame. NOt American Consumer. Consumers are going to buy best product out there. (LIke GMT 900) and they will not buy (Cobalt, IMpala(impala is a fleet king)and aveo). Everybody on this site is blaming consumers for mess that gm is in. Well its not their falult it is GM leaders fault.

Consumers purchase aveo, its one of the cheapest subcompacts on the road if not THE cheapest. Cobalt has class leading fuel economy starting in 2009 better than Civic, Corolla, and Focus. The Cobalt SS has 260hp/lb tq and gets 20/29 and for a car that does 0-60 in 5.65 and 14.0 quarter that is dang good

Malibu and Aura are 08 and 07 car of the year for N. America, Malibu beat out Accord!!! CTS is MT COTY, Lambdas are class leading and gaining sales upon sales by the day! Should GM's strategic plan have changed sooner? Yes, but do they offer competitive and in many instances class leading non-truck product, you bet your ass! You are so far off base that no one is buying their products THEY ARE SELLING WELL!!!!!!! Who wants an impala when you can get a Malibu? New Buick Ep2 is out this coming year as well as next-gen AURA. G6 is going on Alpha in a few years (thats a bad spot), but you really need to rethink your doom and gloom BS.

With Volt coming out in two years, I think your GM hating attitude will need to change as you are still being proven wrong today.

CobaltSS

[Hitman1970]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

It seems to me that gm is losing sales each year. So maybe you should get your facts straight.

Robert Farago, is that you?

[unkillsam]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

It seems to me that gm is losing sales each year. So maybe you should get your facts straight.

In North America GM has stabilized it's market share. They are losing sales but so is everyone else, well except Honda.

Even Toyota is loosing sales.

On a global basis, GM is gaining sales.

[nsap]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

It seems to me that gm is losing sales each year. So maybe you should get your facts straight.

Did you read the article? GM's share is STABILIZING. Their sales are going to continue to drop, because they are selling less FLEET. Retail (the sales to actual customers) is UP.

You need to get your own facts straight before telling others to do such. Your arguments hold little ground, but I guess that is to everyone else's advantage.

[unkillsam]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

Yes but toyota also had New Yaris out, New camry out and camry hybrid, New Prius out. They had scion. So what did gm had that was competitiee with any of those cars. Nothing. That is the difference between toyota and gm. Toyota has more fuel efficient cars.

And you seem to think that GM only equals Chevrolet.

In that same time frame GM introduced the Aura and Aura Greenline, the Vue Greenline, the HHR, expanded their E-85 offerings etc.

Scion is a joke, they all got bigger and less fuel efficient.

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by CobaltSScrazy

Consumers purchase aveo, its one of the cheapest subcompacts on the road if not THE cheapest. Cobalt has class leading fuel economy starting in 2009 better than Civic, Corolla, and Focus. The Cobalt SS has 260hp/lb tq and gets 20/29 and for a car that does 0-60 in 5.65 and 14.0 quarter that is dang good

Malibu and Aura are 08 and 07 car of the year for N. America, Malibu beat out Accord!!! CTS is MT COTY, Lambdas are class leading and gaining sales upon sales by the day! Should GM's strategic plan have changed sooner? Yes, but do they offer competitive and in many instances class leading non-truck product, you bet your ass! You are so far off base that no one is buying their products THEY ARE SELLING WELL!!!!!!! Who wants an impala when you can get a Malibu? New Buick Ep2 is out this coming year as well as next-gen AURA. G6 is going on Alpha in a few years (thats a bad spot), but you really need to rethink your doom and gloom BS.

With Volt coming out in two years, I think your GM hating attitude will need to change as you are still being proven wrong today.

CobaltSS

Ok here is problem with cobalt. Sedan looks like S**t. Poor resale value. Not so good quality. So all of that cobalt ss performance does not matter to people.
Aveo crapy fuel economy and questionable quality
Malibu. Great car But there is nothing class leading about it. V-6 accord has more power, its bigger and it will get 2 mpg better. Malibu is a good car. IT should of been out 3 years ago.
So what does gm have that is class leading and that is not suv or a truck?