GM + Chrysler: What it may look like post-merger

[fp115]

Originally Posted by Odin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsF88J7QXc8

Thanks, that just made my day

[fp115]

Originally Posted by Caleb02

The Hyundai has a very unique problem on their dealer lots and the Genesis. It seems that the Genesis is actually winning over BMW and Mercedes owners who are tired of paying high maintance costs. Thus they have a ton of BMW's and Mercedes used cars on their dealer lots. And when it comes to Standard of the world. That is a slogan not realty, Mercedes and BMW are the standards of the world, not Caddy. With Buick GM needs to have all the Chinesse made Buicks imported from China and sold here as Buick. Lets face it i can run GM better then Rick! Heck the UAW president can run it better. I propose that we divide GM into two! Rick ones one part and then Ron from the UAW runs the other and lets see with just after 2 years who ran the company better! This is the type of foward thinking that is needed! Just look at Ewing Oil from the tv show DALLAS when Jock had the company split into 2 and had each of his sons run a portion and then who had made more profit got the company. Or maybe we can use Donald Trump and have him pick a new CEO on this show Apprentence: GM... After all any other ceo who has lost 90% of stock price since he took over and lost tons of market share would of been fired long before, but hey this is america and we reward this stupidy with hugh ceo pay. Its about time that someone else runs gm like maybe George W Bush! He wont take garbage from anyone!

Thankfully there will never be people like you at the head of a company. Not only are you comparing a car that sells for nearly half the price, but your ideas are nonsensical! What China wants isn't at all what North America wants. If it were that simple why are no other companies just bringing their cars in from other markets without changing anything?

You people keep talking about stock price. Google has lost 55% in the past year, Microsoft has lost 40% in 6 months, Toyota has lost 55% in less than a year,... its the entire market that has been going down. Foolish for you to even begin to say the stock price is solely due to the CEO. If it were due to the CEO, why hasn't Apple, who everyone says has the best CEO, been unable to go up and has gone down by 60% as well?

[bmwboy2007]

The following CADILLAC advertisement ran in the January 02 1915 issue of 'The Saturday Evening Post'.

"In every field of human endeavor, he that is first must perpetually live in the white light of publicity. Wheter the leadership be vested in a man or in a manufactured product, emulation and envy are ever at work. In art, in literature, in music, in industry, the reward and the punishment are always the same. The reward is widespread recognition; the punishment, fierce denial and detraction. When a man's work becomes a standard for the whole world, it also becomes a target for the shafts of the envious few. If his work be mediocre, he will be left severly alone - if he achieves a masterpiece, it will set a million tongues a -wagging. Jealousy does not protrude its forked tongue at the artist who produces a commonplace painting. Whatsoever you write, or paint, or play, or sing, or build, no one will strive to surpass or to slander you unless your work be stamped with the seal of genius. Long, long after a great work or a good work has been done, those who are disappointed or envious, continue to cry out that it cannot be done. Spiteful little voices in the domain of art were raised against our own Whistler as a mountback, long after the big would had acclaimed him its greatest artistic genius. Multitudes flocked to Bayreuth to worship at the musical shrine of Wagner, while the little group of those whom he had dethroned and displaced argued angrily that he was no musician at all. The little world continued to protest that Fulton could never build a steamboat, while the big world flocked to the river banks to see his boat steam by. The leader is assailed because he is a leader, and the effort to equal him is merely added proof of that leadership. Failing to equal or to excel, the follower seeks to depreciate and to destroy - but only confirms once more the superiority of that which he strives to supplant. There is nothing new in this. It is as old as the world and as old as human passions - envy, fear, greeed, ambition, and the desire to surpass. And it all avails nothing. If the leader truly leads, he remains - the leader. Master-poet, master-painter, master-workman, each in his turn is assailed, and each holds his laurels through the ages. That which is good or great makes itself known, no matter how loud the clamor of denial. That which deserves to live--lives" -Theodore McManus

This Cadillac advertisement ran nationally just once. It was the source for the 'Standard of the World' slogan when Cadillac really was just that. This should be required reading for every US auto exec, indeed, this philosophy has been absent from the corporate boardrooms of US corporations entirely too long.

[Caleb02]

Originally Posted by fp115

Thankfully there will never be people like you at the head of a company. Not only are you comparing a car that sells for nearly half the price, but your ideas are nonsensical! What China wants isn't at all what North America wants. If it were that simple why are no other companies just bringing their cars in from other markets without changing anything?

You people keep talking about stock price. Google has lost 55% in the past year, Microsoft has lost 40% in 6 months, Toyota has lost 55% in less than a year,... its the entire market that has been going down. Foolish for you to even begin to say the stock price is solely due to the CEO. If it were due to the CEO, why hasn't Apple, who everyone says has the best CEO, been unable to go up and has gone down by 60% as well?

Lets face it rick and co must go! they ran the company into the ground and will bankrupt it soon. I bet Rick will be the last ceo of an independent gm or its last ceo period....

[Caleb02]

Originally Posted by Uzzy

You can run GM into the ground faster than Rick. You're comparing GM to a TV show company now? Great. And the reason Toyota, Honda, Fiat and VW are doing well is NOT due to the fact they sell cars under the names of the parent company. That has NOTHING to do with it. To suggest it does is imbecilic. And you are assuming GM is the same as those companies. GM is not. It likely should become more like some of them...Toyota or VW are the only ones that really compare to GM in their scope of products. But changing Chevy to GMC and dumping Cadillac is stupid. And I agree M-B and BMW for all intents and purposes are the standards of the world, but Cadillac is finally competing with them in some segments again and it's no longer inconceivable that it can take them on. Saab, cannot and never will.

Your suggestions are so incredulous and nonsensical that I can only assume you make them to get a rise out of people. I suppose I'm the foolish one for listening to the raving lunatic and responding. If we pretend you're not there, maybe you'll go away. I'll see if I can do that, everyone else seems to be able to...

Explaine to me why toyota, honda, fiat and others have a full line of auto under their same name, toyota, honda, fiat... And lets face it americans have a memory of bad quality and bad mpg. My step mom will not buy an american car but she will buy an american car from subaru. She says the maintance costs on it are lower and better then my dads explorer, and her past windstar minivan. The foreign autos also get better mpg also. So how do you counter people like her. My dad only buys american ford, gm jeep, so how do you over come road blocks of people who have a bad image of detroit?

[Uzzy]

Originally Posted by Caleb02

Explaine to me why toyota, honda, fiat and others have a full line of auto under their same name, toyota, honda, fiat...

Because when the companies were founded, the person whose name it came from, or the company that was started made models under that name, much like Olsmobile, Buick, Cadillac and Chevrolet were once their own companies. However, they were all bought up by a company called General Motors.

Explain to me why Ford and Chrysler are not as successful. Why does Lexus and Acura exist, if you need only sell everyhting under a single corporate name?

Your line of questioning is like saying that McDonald's is more successful than Wendy's becuase McDonald's uses a scottish person's last name for it's Restaurant, while Wendy's uses a girl's first name, therefore is Wendy's were to change it's name to McNab's it would therefore be able to challange and possiblt topple McDonald's for fast food supremecy. I now feel stupif for falling for your post, yet again. Woe is me.

[Caleb02]

Originally Posted by Uzzy

Because when the companies were founded, the person whose name it came from, or the company that was started made models under that name, much like Olsmobile, Buick, Cadillac and Chevrolet were once their own companies. However, they were all bought up by a company called General Motors.

Explain to me why Ford and Chrysler are not as successful. Why does Lexus and Acura exist, if you need only sell everyhting under a single corporate name?

Your line of questioning is like saying that McDonald's is more successful than Wendy's becuase McDonald's uses a scottish person's last name for it's Restaurant, while Wendy's uses a girl's first name, therefore is Wendy's were to change it's name to McNab's it would therefore be able to challange and possiblt topple McDonald's for fast food supremecy. I now feel stupif for falling for your post, yet again. Woe is me.

Lexus, Acura are all successful becuase they have a division named after the parent company, why would you not use the name of the parent company for the bread and butter line? If toyota and honda did not exist then neither would lexus or acura. Gm's street creed would go way up when they rename chevy to gmc. or to make u happy gm could rename itself Chevrolet Motor Company.... and then keep the chevy name hows that. so would you rather they swith the coporate name or the name of the divison?

[Uzzy]

Originally Posted by Caleb02

Lexus, Acura are all successful becuase they have a division named after the parent company, why would you not use the name of the parent company for the bread and butter line? If toyota and honda did not exist then neither would lexus or acura. Gm's street creed would go way up when they rename chevy to gmc. or to make u happy gm could rename itself Chevrolet Motor Company.... and then keep the chevy name hows that. so would you rather they swith the coporate name or the name of the divison?

I need a frosty from McNab's

[fp115]

My head hurts from trying to understand that rubbish.

[Caleb02]

Originally Posted by Uzzy

I need a frosty from McNab's

so would you rathe ri rename the parent company Chevrolet Motor Company or rename Chevy to GMC?

[Uzzy]

Originally Posted by fp115

My head hurts from trying to understand that rubbish.

You got that right. Nutz to this, lets grab some dinner at Ronald's. I'll buy you a Large Mac.

[johnnyvettes]

Originally Posted by LONGHORN

Chrysler cars that SELL (read the 300) will move to Buick.

Minivans to Chevy and Dodge looses theirs.

Dodge will take the place of Pontiac.

Pontiac and GMC gone.

Makes sense to me and may work. The only thing in the way, a year with presidential elections and some pissed off Dealers who just spent some major coin to refurbish or build new Chrysler,Dodge and Jeep dealerships.

this would suck if I wanted A P.O.S. Chrysler I would buy one ...........lose Pontiac for Dodge that blows ...........hope it never happens GM if your listning dump Buick keep Pontiac . buick old old mans car ................J.M.H.O.

[Caleb02]

Originally Posted by Uzzy

You got that right. Nutz to this, lets grab some dinner at Ronald's. I'll buy you a Large Mac.

dont forget that the double quarter pounder is the best.

When on a first date i always take her to Mcdonald and only order off the the Dollar menu, the second date, I let her order off the value meal combo and might even let her supersize the order. Then on the third date, I take her to an expensive restaurant called Hardies, since they bring your food to your table and they have that expensive 6 dollar hamburger and all. That place is high class!

Also Gm should place ads onto mcdonalds foods like their buns, fries, and what not!

[Caleb02]

Originally Posted by johnnyvettes

this would suck if I wanted A P.O.S. Chrysler I would buy one ...........lose Pontiac for Dodge that blows ...........hope it never happens GM if your listning dump Buick keep Pontiac . buick old old mans car ................J.M.H.O.

buick is not an olds mans car that was OLDsmobile.... Which is why they killed OLDsmobile. It had the word OLD which made people think that the car was Old! Sowith Buick they had the second best full size selling car next to the Crown Vic the buick lesabre! So in realty Buick is a status simbol around the world like in China! People think in China that Buick is better then a BMW or a Bently!

Also GM should change its coporate name to Chevrolet Motor Company or rename Chevy to GMC

[GM_RU]

This looks like Chrysler is completely given up to fight and Cerberus just want to get ...SOME...money for brands and vanish them. GM will get 35 % of global market and.... vanish the competitor...