GM + Chrysler: What it may look like post-merger - Page 13

marinerbc · 10-19-2008, 05:14 PM

The NRA is a LIBERAL organization? Did I read that right??

Uzzy · 10-19-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by vibecar

GM + Chrysler may look like this (+ Saturn, Saab, Hummer):

I'm in retail, and i think that the possible GM-Chrysler merger will look like the merger of Sears and Kmart: two declining companies together but still having too many outdated stores, losing market share and being passed by strong retailers like Wal-Mart, Target and Lowe's.

What the hell dude? Oh ya, that's the real topic

Back to it. My first thought was it was a terrible idea, then I thought there could be some upsides...but I'm afraid it'll be exactly as you describe.

t-rex · 10-19-2008, 10:10 PM

caleb02....... might I suggest a switch to decaf?

96RIV · 10-19-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by t-rex

caleb02....... might I suggest a switch to decaf?

seriously, it's kind of embarrassing.

But on the subjet matter, i honestly don't mind, but as long as all the GM brands stay, and the others get obsolved into the existing. I liked the idea of HUMMER being turned into Jeep, but everybody wants to kill off Pontiac, thats just not right.

killerrd2 · 10-20-2008, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 96RIV

seriously, it's kind of embarrassing.

But on the subjet matter, i honestly don't mind, but as long as all the GM brands stay, and the others get obsolved into the existing. I liked the idea of HUMMER being turned into Jeep, but everybody wants to kill off Pontiac, thats just not right.

Concur.

Gm should kill off the crappy Chryslers but keep the minivan, Jeep (Wrangler, GC, Liberty combined with HUMMER H3 & H3T), and maybe the RAM (or at least it's new rear suspension).

Don't kill Pontiac, make it the performance brand it deserves to be...even if it has a few MOPARS in the mix...as long as the interior are redone. Chrysler interiors are really sub-par!

GM_RU · 10-20-2008, 04:06 AM

caleb02 -
Share your dealer's number

I wanna try the same stuff you take.

2 all
This guy is trolling, dont pay attention

Seriously - where is the logic in English system? 12 inches - foot
3 feet - yard? 2000 yard = mile? or smth like this?

it is much more comfortable than this stupid metric system, yeah

10mm = 1 cm= 0.01m and go on... whats the stupid sense

paul8488 · 10-20-2008, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by killerrd2

Don't kill Pontiac, make it the performance brand it deserves to be...even if it has a few MOPARS in the mix...as long as the interior are redone. Chrysler interiors are really sub-par!

Where does all this faith for Pontiac come from? It's my favourite brand, but I am 100% convinced that GM only keeps it around because they still do decent volume (mostly fleet) with it. The Torrent still exists... the Cobalt comes in a higher performance version than the G5... the G6 is the sick, unloved cousin of the much better Aura and Malibu... the Aveo-clone G3 is on its way... what more proof do we need that GM doesn't have any intention of doing anything interesting with Pontiac?

DonRobbie · 10-20-2008, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Caleb02

this is america and we use the english system! We are the worlds greatest country on the face of the planet. and the other countries need to follow our lead or elsw those countries may face the full wrath of America!

So, should we invade them and pry their meter sticks from their cold, dead fingers or would it be OK just to send a snarky note?

Caleb02 · 10-20-2008, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DonRobbie

So, should we invade them and pry their meter sticks from their cold, dead fingers or would it be OK just to send a snarky note?

I would send them a stern warning first then i would use the full might of America.. We could then send over Michael Moore first and if that does not work we can send over all of our illegal immigrants to them.... If that does not work we could just manipulate their stock market to crash like they have done to ours. Some people believe that the stock dive was due to economic terrorism. GM, and Ford should use their vast legions of follower to find out who is responsible for the nose dive and then make them drive a ford pinto or a caddy cimmeron.

Caleb02 · 10-20-2008, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GM_RU

caleb02 -
Share your dealer's number

I wanna try the same stuff you take.

2 all
This guy is trolling, dont pay attention

Seriously - where is the logic in English system? 12 inches - foot
3 feet - yard? 2000 yard = mile? or smth like this?

it is much more comfortable than this stupid metric system, yeah

10mm = 1 cm= 0.01m and go on... whats the stupid sense

Who can i be trolling if i am a patriot for the amercian system! I think that 8 year old son can run Ford and GM and Chrysler better then those that are doing it now. I just dare to say what others are unwilling to place here or elsewhere. All it takes is one patriot american like myself to say it. lets face it you agree with all that i have posted. you just need to come out of the closet and admit that i am correct. Once my son takes over the world, errr GM and Ford and Chrysler then we will merge all platforms into one platform. It will be somethink akin to zeta, were all you have to do is just use simple adjusters to adjust the front, middle, and rear end size. So this way this new platform can cover all sizes of the market on one platform and they will be run off a diesel that is turbo and super charged like the echoboost engine from ford and it would also be a hemi like Chrysler. Thus i would be using something from GM (zeta). Chrysler (hemi), Ford (Echoboost).

Uzzy · 10-20-2008, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caleb02

Some people believe that the stock dive was due to economic terrorism.

If by some people, you mean you and the voice in your head, then you are correct.

Caleb02 · 10-20-2008, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96RIV

seriously, it's kind of embarrassing.

But on the subjet matter, i honestly don't mind, but as long as all the GM brands stay, and the others get obsolved into the existing. I liked the idea of HUMMER being turned into Jeep, but everybody wants to kill off Pontiac, thats just not right.

ok, but gm has too many divisions as it is. I propose a ten year plan where we kill off all but three divisions. I say we Keep (if no gm-chrysler merger) GMC (merged with Chevy), Buick, Saab (merged with Caddy)
now id GM buys a division or two or three of chrysler is say we keep GMC (merged with Chevy), Dodge/Jeep (jeep if not sold to Renault/Nissan), and then Chrysler (saab and caddy merged into Chrysler)

Caleb02 · 10-20-2008, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GM_RU

caleb02 -
Share your dealer's number

I wanna try the same stuff you take.

2 all
This guy is trolling, dont pay attention

Seriously - where is the logic in English system? 12 inches - foot
3 feet - yard? 2000 yard = mile? or smth like this?

it is much more comfortable than this stupid metric system, yeah

10mm = 1 cm= 0.01m and go on... whats the stupid sense

12"= foot
3' = yard
what is so hard to remember about that

Caleb02 · 10-20-2008, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96RIV

seriously, it's kind of embarrassing.

But on the subjet matter, i honestly don't mind, but as long as all the GM brands stay, and the others get obsolved into the existing. I liked the idea of HUMMER being turned into Jeep, but everybody wants to kill off Pontiac, thats just not right.

i gave up coffee when i was 9 years old in favor of Jolt Cola!, I am now 37 years old and love to drink this stuff along with Coke Cola and Pepsi and then eat a ton of Mcdonalds Double Quarter Pounders with supersize fries. and i still about 160 pounds and i still dont gain an pound!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolt_Cola

PistonsFan · 10-20-2008, 07:12 PM

Where do I start...

First of all, people keep talking about getting rid of auto brands like it's no big deal. It is very costly to get rid of a brand. GM learned this painful process when they dumped Oldsmobile. They have NO intentions of cutting other brands. They are only considering the sale of Hummer because it is almost an independent brand and it won't be too painful to remove it from the dealer network.

Also, people are talking about taking Chrysler models and dumping them into GM brands. That wouldn't happen either. A top-down consolidation into GM is not a good idea at all. They would likely keep Chrysler as separate entity (like SAAB) and cut the redundant positions. Technology development costs would be reduced substantially.

Cutting diesel development and buying Cummins engines for GM trucks? What? NO! Legal contract issues aside, it would be more likely that GM would use the 6.6 and 4.5 liter Duramax engines in the Dodge trucks. It would be a nice jump in volume for these engines. GM buying engines from Cummins... don't think so. As for cutting diesel development within GM... Not gonna happen. Regardless of what happens with Diesel in North America, Diesel engines will be crucial in the developing countries. Diesel engines don't need thousands of dollars of extra technology in other countries that have lower/no emission standards.

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t-rex 6.2 Liter LS9 Supercharged V8 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Orleans Drives: 2005 BMW 325i. Posts: 7,513	Re: GM + Chrysler: What it may look like post-merger caleb02....... might I suggest a switch to decaf?

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GM_RU 1.8 Liter ECOTEC Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Saint-Petersburg Drives: Chevrolet Cruze 1.8 MT Carbon Flash Posts: 39	Re: GM + Chrysler: What it may look like post-merger caleb02 - Share your dealer's number I wanna try the same stuff you take. 2 all This guy is trolling, dont pay attention Seriously - where is the logic in English system? 12 inches - foot 3 feet - yard? 2000 yard = mile? or smth like this? it is much more comfortable than this stupid metric system, yeah 10mm = 1 cm= 0.01m and go on... whats the stupid sense __________________

10-20-2008, 07:12 PM	#195 (permalink)
PistonsFan 2.8 Liter Turbocharged V6 Join Date: Mar 2008 Drives: 08 CTS Posts: 941	Re: GM + Chrysler: What it may look like post-merger Where do I start... First of all, people keep talking about getting rid of auto brands like it's no big deal. It is very costly to get rid of a brand. GM learned this painful process when they dumped Oldsmobile. They have NO intentions of cutting other brands. They are only considering the sale of Hummer because it is almost an independent brand and it won't be too painful to remove it from the dealer network. Also, people are talking about taking Chrysler models and dumping them into GM brands. That wouldn't happen either. A top-down consolidation into GM is not a good idea at all. They would likely keep Chrysler as separate entity (like SAAB) and cut the redundant positions. Technology development costs would be reduced substantially. Cutting diesel development and buying Cummins engines for GM trucks? What? NO! Legal contract issues aside, it would be more likely that GM would use the 6.6 and 4.5 liter Duramax engines in the Dodge trucks. It would be a nice jump in volume for these engines. GM buying engines from Cummins... don't think so. As for cutting diesel development within GM... Not gonna happen. Regardless of what happens with Diesel in North America, Diesel engines will be crucial in the developing countries. Diesel engines don't need thousands of dollars of extra technology in other countries that have lower/no emission standards. __________________

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