GM + Chrysler: What it may look like post-merger

[Walter Kreuchi]

make no sense:

Two blinde don't see more as one !

Greetings from Switzerland

Walter

[Uzzy]

Originally Posted by Walter Kreuchi

makes no sense:

Two blind don't see more as one!

Greetings from Switzerland

Walter

There is a similar saying here..."the blind leading the blind."

[CJ Thunder]

So will the 300 become an Impala and a V10 go in the Vette and will I still get my e-flex Wrangler and will my Durango become worthless and my Challenger never be made and....**** damn rumors always stress me out.

[Uzzy]

Originally Posted by CJ Thunder

So will the 300 become an Impala and a V10 go in the Vette and will I still get my e-flex Wrangler and will my Durango become worthless and my Challenger never be made and....**** damn rumors always stress me out.

They better not put that V10 lump in 'Vette.

[Cadillac 502]

If both the companies join together and trim the excess and repeated companies like buick and chrysler, jeep and hummer, dodge and chevy, dodge and GMC, then they should be fine. The joining of these companies needs to be balanced as not to cannibalize their sales or "trimming the fat", but overall I think they would do well. The companies merging would mean less of a market or downsizing of the market which is what needs to happen right now according to supply and demand(lot of supply, not enough demand to stabilize enough companies like Chrysler, Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda etc.) Even if it's just merging two of the companies that helps the market stabilize. I for one, am a total nut for BOTH companies(Ford & Toyota suck) I love the Dodge pickups and cars and I love the Chevy vehicles but seeing them together will make me happy!(Unless they get rid of the new Challenger, THEN I'll be P.O.'d (I want to buy one when I finish college

[paul8488]

Originally Posted by Cadillac 502

If both the companies join together and trim the excess...

The question is if GM hasn't been able to do that so far, how are they going to do it when there's even more excess to trim?

[paul8488]

For those that think that Chrysler's minivans are a big incentive for this deal:


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/08101...chrysler_shift



So if GM DOES decide to mash Chrysler's brands into the mix, they get:

Minivans, with falling sales.
Jeep, with a mix of thirsty SUVs and generally unloved soft-roaders.
Challenger, a low-volume RWD pony car.

Really tempting.

The TJ is the only Jeep worth keeping. It's the legend. The new Ram is excellent, but GM knows how to build a truck. The LX cars need a refresh, and GM has its own RWD platform Zeta. The Challenger competes directly with the Camaro. I don't see a single thing product-wise that GM needs from Chrysler.

[Uzzy]

Originally Posted by paul8488

For those that think that Chrysler's minivans are a big incentive for this deal:


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/08101...chrysler_shift



So if GM DOES decide to mash Chrysler's brands into the mix, they get:

Minivans, with falling sales.
Jeep, with a mix of thirsty SUVs and generally unloved soft-roaders.
Challenger, a low-volume RWD pony car.

Really tempting.

The TJ is the only Jeep worth keeping. It's the legend. The new Ram is excellent, but GM knows how to build a truck. The LX cars need a refresh, and GM has its own RWD platform Zeta. The Challenger competes directly with the Camaro. I don't see a single thing product-wise that GM needs from Chrysler.

The Windsor Star reported the minivans could go to Renault and therefore Nissan, not GM.

[fp115]

Originally Posted by Uzzy

The Windsor Star reported the minivans could go to Renault and therefore Nissan, not GM.

That report is false. Nissan has issued a press release claiming that they are not interested.

[96_impala_ss]

Originally Posted by Caleb02

Americans have a memory of bad quality and bad mpg.

So thats why the Tundra, Titan, Sequoya, Land Cruiser, and Armada get worse mileage than the comparable Silverado/Sierra, F150, Suburban/Yukon XL/Escalade, Expedition/Navigator?

Originally Posted by Caleb02

So how do you counter people like her. ... so how do you over come road blocks of people who have a bad image of detroit?

Shes sheeple. Thats all i can say. Shes one of those people that would think a recall from Toyota, Honda or Nissan is for the customer's safety because "Toyota/Honda/Nissan cares" but a recall from FoMoCo, GM, Chrysler LLC is because they cant build cars for SxxT and should cease to exist.

[vibecar]

GM + Chrysler: What it may look like post-merger, a disaster, too much brands, too much models, too many cars, trucks, cross-overs, engines, dealers, it would mean another huge restructuring of staff, factories, design, marketing, offices, layoffs, unions... i just don't see how can a GM-Chrysler emerge from that merger as a stronger, leaner car company.

[American_Muscle]

Here's how I see it.

IMO...Jeep should stay Jeep, Hummer could jump ship with them becoming a model rather then own company (the jeep H2, jeep h3t, etc..this fill voids in the jeep area)

Buick and Chrysler become the middle luxury, just under cadillac. The 300c would get renamed the Buick Chrysler 300c..since thats all thats worth keeping. MAYBE a mini van..but most of that would go to saturn.

Dodges and Pontiac become the same as well, becomming the true performance and car division with the challanger, charger, G8, g6, g5, a new sub compact, nitro, and perhaps a redone magnum. Names would remain the same, dodge's are dodge and pontiacs are pontiacs.

GMC's do NOT become Rams, that wouldnt make sence, but the Rams become GMC's...this will finally make a distinct difference in GM's Pickup market, the silverado's and sierras will now be two completely different trucks.

[Caleb02]

Originally Posted by 96_impala_ss

So thats why the Tundra, Titan, Sequoya, Land Cruiser, and Armada get worse mileage than the comparable Silverado/Sierra, F150, Suburban/Yukon XL/Escalade, Expedition/Navigator?



Shes sheeple. Thats all i can say. Shes one of those people that would think a recall from Toyota, Honda or Nissan is for the customer's safety because "Toyota/Honda/Nissan cares" but a recall from FoMoCo, GM, Chrysler LLC is because they cant build cars for SxxT and should cease to exist.

the tundra, titan sequoya, land cruiser and armada are better designed and made and also do get better gas millage. What you are doing in compairing the largest engine choise from toyota to the lowest enginge choice from ford. When you look at the same engines from both manufactors then toyota wins hands down on mpg not ford otherwise ford would not be backpeddling on a diesel for the new f series.

it is a known fact that toyota cares more about its customers then ford which was convicted for murder! Ford had covered up the Pinto issues, the Ford Explorer Tire Issues, and the Crown Vic gas tank issues on the Police cars.... So Ford has a history of believing and stating in memos that it is cheaper to pay families of dead people then to fix an issue. Toyota would rather fix any issue no matter how small before it kills anyone.

[Uzzy]

Originally Posted by Caleb02

the tundra, titan sequoya, land cruiser and armada are better designed and made and also do get better gas millage. What you are doing in compairing the largest engine choise from toyota to the lowest enginge choice from ford. When you look at the same engines from both manufactors then toyota wins hands down on mpg not ford otherwise ford would not be backpeddling on a diesel for the new f series.

Lets see some numbers and sources. I don't believe you.

Originally Posted by Caleb02

it is a known fact that toyota cares more about its customers then ford

It is a well known fact, that when people start a sentence with the words "it is a well known fact" that they are actually making up the rest of the sentence.

Originally Posted by Caleb02

which was convicted for murder! Ford had covered up...the Crown Vic gas tank issues on the Police cars.... So Ford has a history of believing and stating in memos that it is cheaper to pay families of dead people then to fix an issue.

The same police force that sued Ford for the dead cop, and won, later put in an order for a couple hundred more Crown Victorias...I guess they didn't care that much either. Ford canceled the orders.

[Caleb02]

Originally Posted by Uzzy

Lets see some numbers and sources. I don't believe you.

It is a well known fact, that when people start a sentence with the words "it is a well known fact" that they are actually making up the rest of the sentence.

The same police force that sued Ford for the dead cop, and won, later put in an order for a couple hundred more Crown Victorias...I guess they didn't care that much either. Ford canceled the orders.

Toyota
http://www.toyota.com/tundra/index.html
19 MPG HIGHWAY EST. [1] [2]
15 MPG CITY EST. [1] [2]

http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/f150/features/specs/
4x4 14 City/18 HWY
So as you can see in 4x4 mode toyota tundra does get better mpg right from their own websites tooo.....


it is a well known fact that the crown vic is the biggest cop car on the market and the chevy impala and dodge charger are way smaller cars. And lets face it ford has a 90% market share for cop cars. The crown vic has the space and reliability that cops are looking for since no other auto companies in the planet makes a cop car as big.