General Electric: Hydrogen on the Cheap

[GM_Fanatic]

...Although GE has only built a prototype in their lab, Bourgeois believes that demonstrations can come as soon as the end of next year, and commercialization will follow that. The goal of the project, according to Bourgeois, is to bring down equipment costs enough to take the cost of hydrogen from $8 per kilogram to $3 per kilogram—comparable in energy and price to a gallon of gasoline...

Rest of article here

This puts a new light on the development of Hydrogen vehicles. I am glad GM is fighting on all fronts, not just E85 or just hybrids.

[darndot]

Looks like Hydrogen is the real wave of the future. The only problem I see is an increase of humidity in the world.

[zabolots]

Originally Posted by darndot

The only problem I see is an increase of humidity in the world.

Oh, and the small problem of distribution and dispensing...

[T-Type]

Originally Posted by zabolots

Oh, and the small problem of distribution and dispensing...

The distribution problem will be solved by 'cracking' it locally. Which I imagine will also solve the dispensing problem.

[GM_Fanatic]

Originally Posted by zabolots

Oh, and the small problem of distribution and dispensing...

Those aren't problems, they are excuses. They are no more then barriers that can be overcome with time and coordination.

[give_it_all_]

How many MPG does a hydrogen car get?

[cadillacpimpin]

Originally Posted by give_it_all_

How many MPG does a hydrogen car get?

u mean MPkg. or if we start with kg why not say km/kg.

what would we use?
apparently we havent studied up on our hydrogen powered vehicle terminology lately

[rob2299usa]

Originally Posted by darndot

Looks like Hydrogen is the real wave of the future. The only problem I see is an increase of humidity in the world.

There wouldn't be an increase in humidity because you are splitting water to create the pure hyrdogen and releasing pure oxygen. In the fuel cell vehicle this hydrogen is recombined with oxygen to produce electricity and water again. It is a repeatable cycle.

[megeebee]

Originally Posted by GM_Fanatic

Those aren't problems, they are excuses. They are no more then barriers that can be overcome with time and coordination.

Amen. And thank you for posting this. I often listen to debates about hydrogen power and distribution is always one of the biggest road blocks used to argue against it. If liquid hydrogen could be made at dozens of plants all over the nation and transported only a small distance, it may mean an economic boom. Think of all the jobs created. Or, if possible, a mini-plant so to speak at each filling station so it doesn't need to be transported at all.
And while I'm thinking about it, I'm against subsidies for oil companies to build these. The government didn't pay the Rockerfellers go out and to build all of their Standard Stations in the early 20th century. If hydrogen production is made cheap and easy enough, and vehicles are produced that use it and are desirable to the public, then oil companies would have no choice but to make the investment to stay in business. Oil is not going away anytime soon, anyway. If every gas-powered vehicle were converted to hydrogen tomorrow, we still need it for so many other things.

[Bravada]

Now this seems interesting:



http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/h2.htm

Who wants a Nuclear Corvette?

PS. IMHO if the gov't should do anything with the hydrogen business, than it is to make sure the oil companies get involved in it the least. They are disposing of far too much power (pun not intended) now, and the effects are pretty depressing.

[Joevette]

i dont understand why they dont just develop the onboard system which use water, oh wait no one will make money. i suppose that we are in a world of $3 energy sources for ever now, what a shame. if they would just use water there would be no problems with transportation or with fueling the vehicle, like no need to develop complicated and sophisticated pumps to fill our vehicles which have the potential to be dangerous. it would just be water plain and simple

[asim]

Thats good, all we need to do for a REAL hyrdogen economy is finish the car, make the infrastructure, and produce the hydrogen efficiently (which is going on now in this article). This is still going to take at least 10 years, GM's prediction of getting hydrogen on the road by the end of the decade is still a stretch.

[Proetus]

Originally Posted by Joevette

i dont understand why they dont just develop the onboard system which use water, oh wait no one will make money. i suppose that we are in a world of $3 energy sources for ever now, what a shame. if they would just use water there would be no problems with transportation or with fueling the vehicle, like no need to develop complicated and sophisticated pumps to fill our vehicles which have the potential to be dangerous. it would just be water plain and simple

How precisely would you perform electrolysis on-board the vehicle?

[steverino]

Originally Posted by Joevette

i dont understand why they dont just develop the onboard system which use water, oh wait no one will make money. i suppose that we are in a world of $3 energy sources for ever now, what a shame. if they would just use water there would be no problems with transportation or with fueling the vehicle, like no need to develop complicated and sophisticated pumps to fill our vehicles which have the potential to be dangerous. it would just be water plain and simple

I love your idea. But unfortunately the water supply in this country is shaping up to be the next crisis. We have to start desalineating the oceans now.

How many mpg's in a bottle of Aquafina?

[Joevette]

the same way the guy who made his welding torch run of water converts it to hydrogen. well you don't need to use fresh water in the car, snow, salt, rain or fresh water can all be used, and if needed these cars (if using an Internal Comb. motor) can run off gas or ethanol as well

Amazing "HHO" Water-Powered Car: A 'Must Watch' Video

here is a thread i made too with some other vids with the same tech:

Water Powered Car - From the 80's!!