Gas prices to take 10 million cars off the road: report

[montrealvue]

Originally Posted by nikivee

The US economy would crash at $7 per gallon. Scare tactics is what this is. I'm betting oil prices will crash after September.

I agree. What goes up must come down. Gas prices are high now due to speculation, there isn't a lack of supply of oil.

[jman196]

Originally Posted by nikivee

The US economy would crash at $7 per gallon. Scare tactics is what this is. I'm betting oil prices will crash after September.

The US has crashed, it is only a matter of when the full effects of that crash will be evident. Hell even Richard Cheney (apparently you cannot type d i c k on these boards) bought a house in Dubai and sold off all of his dollars for Euros as he knows the economy is going to hell in a hand basket and their the ones that caused it. Just before the depression many politicos and media heads exited the market and bought gold/real estate etc. because they knew **** was going to hit the fan. I mean come on, with 60 trillion dollars in future entitlements in a 14.3 trillion dollar economy... you know that is not good news.

[kneedragger]

Originally Posted by CJ Thunder

So can water, so can pure O2. We all have a little mercury in us...so moderation is the key and history has shown that we are not at a max for atmospheric CO2...

Also I hate when people say that switching to some more efficient thing takes X number of cars off the road. what about shutting down X coal plants or X trains or X amount of cows farting?

I know moderation is the key. However Co2 above certain levels, just 5% by volume, is toxic. Are we anywhere near that(varies from .03-.06% depending on location)? hell no. Co2 levels were considerably higher 500 million years ago... I'm just bored at work and im splitting hairs

Originally Posted by vanshmack

CO2 isn't toxic, it just doesn't support life. It's basically an inert gas that doesn't do much of anything beyond insulate.

Just doesnt support life? sounds toxic to me!

According to the Australian Maritime Safety Authority, "Prolonged exposure to moderate concentrations can cause acidosis and adverse effects on calcium phosphorus metabolism resulting in increased calcium deposits in soft tissue. Carbon dioxide is toxic to the heart and causes diminished contractile force. At concentrations of three per cent by volume in air, it is mildly narcotic and causes increased blood pressure and pulse rate, and causes reduced hearing. At concentrations of about five per cent by volume it causes stimulation of the respiratory centre, dizziness, confusion and difficulty in breathing accompanied by headache and shortness of breath. At about eight per cent concentration it causes headache, sweating, dim vision, tremor and loss of consciousness after exposure for between five and ten minutes."

Also Co2 is used in gas chambers as well. its a toxic gas. Once again im just splitting hairs cause im bored.

[doh]

Originally Posted by ejfx

Its sad that cars are looked at as being negative and bad.

Do people still love cars anymore (Well besides the people on this site)

Car used to mean so much to people

Damn OPEC and Feds

I'll second that

[kenman923]

We would have a depression worse than in the 1930s

[Neanderthal]

Originally Posted by kneedragger

I know moderation is the key. However Co2 above certain levels, just 5% by volume, is toxic. Are we anywhere near that(varies from .03-.06% depending on location)? hell no. Co2 levels were considerably higher 500 million years ago... I'm just bored at work and im splitting hairs



Just doesnt support life? sounds toxic to me!

According to the Australian Maritime Safety Authority, "Prolonged exposure to moderate concentrations can cause acidosis and adverse effects on calcium phosphorus metabolism resulting in increased calcium deposits in soft tissue. Carbon dioxide is toxic to the heart and causes diminished contractile force. At concentrations of three per cent by volume in air, it is mildly narcotic and causes increased blood pressure and pulse rate, and causes reduced hearing. At concentrations of about five per cent by volume it causes stimulation of the respiratory centre, dizziness, confusion and difficulty in breathing accompanied by headache and shortness of breath. At about eight per cent concentration it causes headache, sweating, dim vision, tremor and loss of consciousness after exposure for between five and ten minutes."

Also Co2 is used in gas chambers as well. its a toxic gas. Once again im just splitting hairs cause im bored.

CO2 is good for plants. CO2 as a "greenhouse gas" is just gas.

CO2 was a toxic gas for the unfortunate WWII submariners whose boats were sunk but not crushed. They suffocated slowly.

In US boats, crews had access to the arms room if it wasn't flooded or destroyed. You had the option of a .45 round, or slow, gasping death. Like a fish out of water.

[MisterMe]

Originally Posted by jman196

... I can't believe how many people are suckered into thinking that Co2 is a toxic gas. Co2 was more abundant during the Jurassic period than it is today - and vegetation was massive. ...

Two things:

• It was much warmer during the Jurassic Period.
• We don't live during the Jurassic Period. Our metabolism evolved during a time of much lower CO2 concentrations and much cooler temperatures.

We would be very poorly adapted to compete with dinosaurs.

[Smaart Aas Saabr]

Originally Posted by vanshmack

CO2 isn't toxic, it just doesn't support life. It's basically an inert gas that doesn't do much of anything beyond insulate.

NOT TRUE

CO2 is stored in your blood mostly as carbolic acid (HCO3, same as in Pepsi).

At concentrations in atmosphere over ~5 %, this carbolic acid becomes very high and the blood pH will go down significantly. As well you will not be able to exhale the CO2 properly. Thus you will die fairly quickly.

As for Jurassic remember the big Jurassic extinction event...

Also the current concentrations / growths are not high enough to cause any health issues.

[logansowner]

Originally Posted by kneedragger

Co2 is a toxic gas...

jacked from another forum

"It is currently at a globally averaged concentration of approximately 387 ppm by volume in the Earth's atmosphere...
CO2 is toxic in higher concentrations: 1% (10,000 ppm) will make some people feel drowsy, whereas 5% is directly toxic."

we aren't anywhere close to 1% but I'm just saying... it can be toxic

You can't breath under water either, doesn't make it a toxin.

This C02 business is a pile of horse ****. They got bored with pollution, so they moved on to something else. Carbon Monoxide is actually hurting people, but we got bored with that, so were moving on to the stuff we all breath out. Crock of crap, and it's just another market for someone to get rich...ala "carbon credits".


Anyway, we say it with houses being artificially inflated to 3 times their value, they crashed. We saw it with technology, it crashed... now we have oil...guess what, the book always has the same ending. We need to be less dependant of foreign fuel, and on speculation on products we need, but in the end, right now, there is nothing viable to replacing oil. I'm all for working on new fuels...but right now, we need to deal with oil.

Everything costs more now, but we can't help it, we have to deal the best we can until the ride is over.

[96_impala_ss]

Originally Posted by I-Love-Pontiac

It really irritates me how how everyone is still pushing this whole "going green thing". Don't they understand how serious America's economic situation is? "Global Warming" should be so low on our priority list right now. Even if it is real, if we don't have money we wont have the ability to "fight" it.

They're just marketing "going green" with high oil prices. "Oil is (insert price here) we need to reduce our dependence on oil. Buy (insert product here) to reduce your greenhouse gas emissions." Nothing more than a marketing gimmick. Even thought its true that we do need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, you cant just pull in that Al Gore bull**** into it.

The only good thing about high oil prices is that jobs are coming back to the U.S.
Some companies are bringing back the factory jobs since some of the things are cheaper to produce here that to produce in china and import here and pay all that import crap.

[logansowner]

Originally Posted by MisterMe

Two things:

• It was much warmer during the Jurassic Period.
• We don't live during the Jurassic Period. Our metabolism evolved during a time of much lower CO2 concentrations and much cooler temperatures.

We would be very poorly adapted to compete with dinosaurs.

Yea, that's great, too bad we are at 0.03%. ****ing panic mongers. Eco terrorists. At least on 911 they only killed 3000 people, these home grown terrorists, god knows how many people they're gonna kill with their ridiculous lies and laws.

Sure, we can't live at 5%, but I think at 1/166th, I think the fear mongering is a little premature.

[mobyss]

A quick rise to $7 per gallon over two years, which is up another 75% from the price today, would do two things:

#1. The gas mileage of the "fleet" of US vehicles that are actually used regularly would go from the current 15 or 16 mpg to closer to 28-30, with all the V8 powered pickup trucks sitting idle except for the time they are used AS TRUCKS to haul or tow something worthwhile. Sales of new trucks would dwindle to nothing. Demand for gasoline made from foreign oil would be reduced by 30% or more.

#2. A much larger portion of US farmland would be used to produce ethanol, from corn, switchgrass, or whatever. Food exports from the US would cease, meaning the whole world that relies on US food production would be SOL, and they would bid up the price of what food they can get. US dollars and other hard currencies held overseas would flood back to this country as foreign nations begged us to sell them something to feed their starving masses, and as we stop buying ANYTHING from them except whatever oil we still need. As ethanol replaced gasoline significantly, our demand for foreign oil would shrink by another 20 to 25% on top of the efficiency gains. Eventually the dollar would strengthen and the price of oil in dollars would drop, maybe by half or more as it has in the past. In 1998 oil was $12 a barrel, which is part of the reason we are in this mess today - we just got spoiled.

This is just my opinion, but there's a part of me that says "Go ahead world, ***** with America and see who it ultimately screws over the most in the end. We put a man on the frigging moon almost 40 years ago and most other countries can't even design a passenger jet that can fly over the Pacific ocean. Right now America is fat and lazy, but in a real crisis we will figure out a solution. And when it really comes down to it we can live with $7 gas and adjust painfully, but can the world live without US food? Not for very long.

[kneedragger]

Originally Posted by logansowner

Yea, that's great, too bad we are at 0.03%. ****ing panic mongers. Eco terrorists. At least on 911 they only killed 3000 people, these home grown terrorists, god knows how many people they're gonna kill with their ridiculous lies and laws.

Sure, we can't live at 5%, but I think at 1/166th, I think the fear mongering is a little premature.

Who here is fear mongering? I was just pointing out that Co2 is toxic because someone mentioned it wasn't and i was bored at work. I'm not one of these global warming "oh my god the sky is falling" guys. I was just pointing something out.

Also saying Co2 isn't a toxic gas because we cant breath under water is just silly and incorrect.

[rozz]

Originally Posted by kneedragger

I know moderation is the key. However Co2 above certain levels, just 5% by volume, is toxic. Are we anywhere near that(varies from .03-.06% depending on location)? hell no. Co2 levels were considerably higher 500 million years ago... I'm just bored at work and im splitting hairs


Just doesnt support life? sounds toxic to me!

According to the Australian Maritime Safety Authority, "Prolonged exposure to moderate concentrations can cause acidosis and adverse effects on calcium phosphorus metabolism resulting in increased calcium deposits in soft tissue. Carbon dioxide is toxic to the heart and causes diminished contractile force. At concentrations of three per cent by volume in air, it is mildly narcotic and causes increased blood pressure and pulse rate, and causes reduced hearing. At concentrations of about five per cent by volume it causes stimulation of the respiratory centre, dizziness, confusion and difficulty in breathing accompanied by headache and shortness of breath. At about eight per cent concentration it causes headache, sweating, dim vision, tremor and loss of consciousness after exposure for between five and ten minutes."

Also Co2 is used in gas chambers as well. its a toxic gas. Once again im just splitting hairs cause im bored.

This reminds me of the trapped coal miners- they were never found. They finally have to implode the mine and made a big tomb. So sad, I can’t imagine dying slowly from poisonous CO2 gases. Just the thought of suffocation scares the heck out of me.

[CaptainDan]

Originally Posted by doh

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories...... "the greatest mass exodus of vehicles off America's highways in history,'' with some 10 million fewer cars on the road by 2012.

Another report by Scotia Economics says Americans are opting for smaller more fuel-efficient cars over gas-guzzling SUVs and pickup trucks.......

How does opting for smaller cars equal fewer cars?