EPA Director: 75 mpg CAFE needed to reach CO2 emissions goals

[Wolfman01]

Originally Posted by D C

Just a matter of how long we have to ride out the insanity and if they totally f'k things up before they come to the realization that the Earth warms and cools and there's not a bloody thing man can do about it. It will be VERY interesting if we're actually entering a period of cooling with reduced solar activity. That should drive the algore sheeple nuts trying to explain.

You completely underestimate the climate change religious followers. They'll just simply point to the reduction in temperatures as a victory in their quest to stop "global warming."

[Neanderthal]

Originally Posted by Wolfman01

You completely underestimate the climate change religious followers. They'll just simply point to the reduction in temperatures as a victory in their quest to stop "global warming."

No, they will point to cooling as "definite proof" that globaloney warming is real, and cooling is clearly a result of warming.

[escaladelover]

Originally Posted by EatonISgay

What ever happened to people believing what you want and not forcing your beliefs on others? If those of you that want to believe in global warming want to do that than become Amish and live what you preech! I am tired of being told what I am doing is wrong while Al Gore flies all over hell and back in private jets and he fills his bank accounts to the tune of 100's of millions! Lead by example!

All of you global warming fanatics are out on the highway at 6am pissing me off buring lots of oil as you drive 50 miles to work. You then go to eat a fast food restarurant consuming God knows how much natural resources and throwing it all away to be taken to a landfill some where. Then you go home and turn on every light in your house, burning fossil fuels like it was going out of style.

Do you also walk up to fat people and pull the twinkie out of there hands?

All this global warming crap has done to me is increase my fuel costs, increase my electric bill, increase what I pay for a car, etc. I am tired of it. What is the bottom line? If I stopped driving and turned off my A/C is that going to make the ice in the arctic return???

You speak the truth.

Global warming is nothing but a phony and it's all part of a one world government.

[MisterMe]

Originally Posted by gerardo_zg

- 16ºc is beyond water freezing, I think you mean 22ºc. The real problem with global warming is this:



Δs----> ∞
w ----> 0

That must be our real concern

You are confused. I simplified matters a bit, but the effective average temperature of the Earth is -16 °C or 257 K. Your 22 °C (295 K) value is one value used for "room temperature."

I know about the Otto cycle, the Carnot cycle, the Diesel cycle, the Sterling cycle, and even the Rankine cycle. Global warming is not caused by the cycle used by the engine, but rather by the exhaust products of the specific fuel burned to generate the heat required to drive the engine.

"Entropy death" is a problem that the entire Universe faces. It is not limited to the Earth. It is billions of years into the future. There is also absolutely nothing that anyone anywhere can do to escape it.

[D C]

Originally Posted by LAMRONH

No, they will point to cooling as "definite proof" that globaloney warming is real, and cooling is clearly a result of warming.

or they'll pat themselves on the back for fixing the problem, which will be even worse

[Neanderthal]

Originally Posted by D C

or they'll pat themselves on the back for fixing the problem, which will be even worse

Oh if that were so.

The first rule of all bureaucracies and movements, as with all living beings, is survival.
If their mission becomes a "solved problem," their existence is no longer required.

Since globaloney warming is a Superman Comix-class epic threatening earth's very existence (actually they confuse hominidkind with the planet, easy enough when you're a histrionic narcissistic psychopath), "fixing the problem" would create a much larger problem:
Algore & Co. would no longer have something to make up Big Lies about. That = unemployment.
And if there's one thing a histrionic NP cannot stand, it's becoming an unemployed Drama Queen.

[MisterMe]

Originally Posted by LAMRONH

...

Since globaloney warming is a Superman Comix-class epic threatening earth's very existence (actually they confuse hominidkind with the planet, ...), ....

If global warming killed-off all human beings, then the rest of the planet would survive? Is this really true? Whew ... I was worried over nothing!

[kfinto]

Originally Posted by slowinthefastlane

That's it - I'm going out to buy something with a V8 engine this weekend. A Mustang, G8, Silverado - ANYTHING! I need to get one before "the man" takes them away forever...

I own a 1998 Camaro Z28, 2004 Silverado and as of last Friday a 2008 G8 GT. I considered selling the Camaro but I believe I need to hang on to all the V8's I can. If I can't get a new V8 in the future I will have to have one of my old vehicles rebuilt!

[nailhead425]

With all due respect this is an Art Bell methodology. One cannot confuse the changing density of seawater with increased El Nino and La Nina activity. The change in salinity is minor, at worst, and even NOAA has re-figured their data to say that now there will be a net DROP in severe storm activity.
To say that changing salinity of Earth's Oceans caused the seismic activity that resulted in the Tsunami is laughable.

Methane migration is a bit of odd science, similar to CFCs. Methane is known as swamp gas for a reason. It is heavier than air, not as much as CFCs, and migration to the upper atmosphere is difficult.

Consider this point: If CFCs can migrate from ground level to the upper atmosphere, where the sun splits the bond and allows the Chlorine to attack the O3, why cannot simple ground level O3 migrate to the upper atmosphere? We have plenty of ground level O3 here in Phoenix.
The reasons are very complex and can't be broken down in a 30 second sound-bite, but "CFCs are bad, CO2 is bad" can be.

NASA says that Mars is warming.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html
What is the common thread? (That big ball of fire in the sky)

Originally Posted by MisterMe

It doesn't work that way. The atmosphere is not static.

The atmosphere is a much more complex system.

Global warming is essential to life on this planet. ... This means that we can expect many more storms and and storms that are much more severe. The melting of the polar ice caps is lowering the salt concentration of the oceans.

The additional water volume produced by polar melting and from the thermal expansion of warmed seas will inundate most of the World's major coastal cities. Hurricane Katrina? The Asian tsunami? Distant memories of a more pleasant time. The World will be a much less pleasant place.

A word about cows. There were some mentions of the methane produced by cows and how much more of a greenhouse gas methane is than carbon dioxide.

The native meat animal in North America is the American buffalo or bison. They make efficient use of the land.

To conclude, contrary to the assertions of some, there is no controversy about claims of global warming among the people whose opinions matter. It is real and we have very little time left to do something about it.

The solution to global warming is a challenge.

Hydrogen must be obtained via either Chemical cracking or electrolysis.
Chemical cracking releases massive amounts of CO2 and CO.
Electrolysis requires more electricity than is obtained through recombination.
Thus making it a true net-LOSS in energy.
They only plausable hope for Hydrogen is combustion with atmospheric O2 (less fuel to carry in a cell). However, given the Mole size of H2 it would be necessary to direct inject liquid or high-pressure H2 into a very high pressure/temperature combustion chamber.
Yes, H2 can be burned with a modified LPG mixer, however it is much less efficient.

Most of all, where is all that electricity going to come from? Right now, it would be through increased combustion of coal, diesel fuel and natural gas.

Originally Posted by Lunden

Is anyone starting to understand why Hydrogen is such an important future player in all of this?

One must understand that in the world of emotion science and reason have no place.

My advice is if you don't want a tiny little death box, obtain a vehicle you really like and get a couple spares (vehicles) for parts and sheetmetal and drive it forever. While I don't see HD trucks being impacted to the point of no capability, I could forsee them being neutered.

[nailhead425]

Before anyone gets all caught up in this global warming hype look to history.

When the Vikings left Scandinavia, Eric the Red and crew set upon a vast island full of lush vegitation. They named this land "Greenland".
Hundreds of years later is was virtually abandoned when the climate changed. Today it is nearly totally covered in ice.

Consider that for a moment.

[MisterMe]

Originally Posted by nailhead425

... Eric the Red and crew set upon a vast island full of lush vegitation. They named this land "Greenland". ...

That's not my understanding of why Eric the Red named the island "Greenland." Rather than getting into a back-and-forth over issues about which you seem to know so little, I refer you to this web site.