December & 2005 Percentages for Top 6 Automakers

[markusername]

December and full year percentages for the big 6 automakers in North America.

GM: -10.2 -4.0

Ford: -8.7 -4.4

DMC: -2.0 +5.0

Toy: +8.2 +10.1

Hon: -3.3 +5.2

Nis: -1.0 +9.6

[cjrciadt]

Toyo the only one up across the board? 2006 will be a very interesting year, very good for some brands, or very bad for others.

[Maas Oyama]

Market share figures for 2005 for the big 6:

GM = 26.21% (2005); 27.53% (2004)

Ford = 18.56% (2005); 19.63% (2004)

DCX = 14.88% (2005); 14.35% (2004)

Toyota = 13.30% (2005); 12.18% (2004)

Honda = 8.61% (2005); 8.24% (2004)

Nissan = 6.34% (2005); 5.83% (2004)

[SSrevolution]

Well that sucks. 2006 is a new year though, and Toyota can't just do that forever.

[Maas Oyama]

Originally Posted by SSrevolution

Well that sucks. 2006 is a new year though, and Toyota can't just do that forever.

between 1957 and 1960 , in its very first 4 years in the us, toyota managed to sell all of 257 toyopets.

48 years later, one of the the direct descendants of the toyopet aka the camry reigns as the undisputed shogun of the us car world with annual sales of above 430.000!

[CarShark]

Originally Posted by SSrevolution

Well that sucks. 2006 is a new year though, and Toyota can't just do that forever.

I don't really see any reason for those numbers not to continue. I think that the biggest reason for Toyota's gain are the losses specifically of GM and Ford. They can't be getting anything from Chrysler Group, Honda, or Nissan, and no one else sells in nearly enough volume. I think that if GM and Ford could hold their ground, it would stunt Toyota's growth. There are probably a handful of buyers ready to trade in their thrice-malfunctioning C-Classes for an IS, but there are thousands and thousands of people that are getting rid of 5-year-old Cavaliers and Escorts that they have to steer into Cobalt and Focii if they plan on keeping share. So far they haven't been doing that.

Does anyone have the full market share list, replete with year-to-year comparisons?

[JVal14]

Originally Posted by CarShark

I don't really see any reason for those numbers not to continue. I think that the biggest reason for Toyota's gain are the losses specifically of GM and Ford. They can't be getting anything from Chrysler Group, Honda, or Nissan, and no one else sells in nearly enough volume. I think that if GM and Ford could hold their ground, it would stunt Toyota's growth. There are probably a handful of buyers ready to trade in their thrice-malfunctioning C-Classes for an IS, but there are thousands and thousands of people that are getting rid of 5-year-old Cavaliers and Escorts that they have to steer into Cobalt and Focii if they plan on keeping share. So far they haven't been doing that.

Does anyone have the full market share list, replete with year-to-year comparisons?

That's a good point. Even though what GM has done for Cadillac is great and exciting, they're still not focusing on the problem that's losing market share for them, and that is that they're losing customers for high volume brands. The new trucks are great, but I doubt GM is losing a lot of their full-siz truck/SUV customers to Toyota. It's the small-to-midsize sedan market that they're dying in, and GM still seems to be phoning in most of the offers in that segment.

[Geotpf]

Originally Posted by CarShark

Does anyone have the full market share list, replete with year-to-year comparisons?

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...601050519/1014

[rayce08]

you are at a disadvantage if your company is based in the US , in any industry , not just the auto industry . isn't DC now based in germany ? if so , the only company's losing money are US based company's . we are being overtaken economically , in 20 years we will wake up and realize china is the new superpower and world leader .

[tripowergto]

Originally Posted by Geotpf

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...601050519/1014

For all the chatter about Toyota supposedly kicking GM's butt in the marketplace that chart is very revealing. BOTTOM LINE: In 2005 GM still sold TWICE as many vehicles in the US then Toyota!!

[rayce08]

Originally Posted by tripowergto

For all the chatter about Toyota supposedly kicking GM's butt in the marketplace that chart is very revealing. BOTTOM LINE: In 2005 GM still sold TWICE as many vehicles in the US then Toyota!!

Ive allways told people this too . the US market is the most demanding and the American people are the most hard to please . anyone can be #1 by saleing cars everywere and then claim " hey look at us , were #1 " . the US market is still dominated be GM and FORD , PERIOD .

i had a discussion with a friend thats not into cars and he read about Toyota taking over the #1 spot and said they will be #1 in the US , i quickly told him there # 4 in the us and more than 2/3 of there sales are not in America while more than 1/2 of GMs is in the US .

[Geotpf]

Originally Posted by tripowergto

For all the chatter about Toyota supposedly kicking GM's butt in the marketplace that chart is very revealing. BOTTOM LINE: In 2005 GM still sold TWICE as many vehicles in the US then Toyota!!

Yeah, but in 2004, they sold 229% as many (compared to less than 200% as many in 2005). (I compared the old figures on the two companies press releases on thier websites to get that figure.) If a -30% rate remains constant, Toyota will sell more than GM in 2010. Also remember that GM once had a 50% market share in the US-it's now down to about half of that. Plus, Toyota makes more money than God, while GM flushes a large amount down the drain.

[Geotpf]

Originally Posted by rayce08

Ive allways told people this too . the US market is the most demanding and the American people are the most hard to please . anyone can be #1 by saleing cars everywere and then claim " hey look at us , were #1 " . the US market is still dominated be GM and FORD , PERIOD .

i had a discussion with a friend thats not into cars and he read about Toyota taking over the #1 spot and said they will be #1 in the US , i quickly told him there # 4 in the us and more than 2/3 of there sales are not in America while more than 1/2 of GMs is in the US .

Toyota will take over the #1 spot worldwide (not just in America) this year (or maybe next).

[rayce08]

Originally Posted by Geotpf

Toyota will take over the #1 spot worldwide (not just in America) this year (or maybe next).

like i said , they may take over the # 1 spot in the world , but they are a long way from being #1 in the US . there sales would have to do go up 100% or double and there isn't enough market for that .

market share is a overused and bad way to judge the car market , when GM had 50 or 60% there was only 3-4 company's , now there 10-12 , the only way they could keep that much share would have been to sale the same number of cars as the new comers ( Toyota,Nissan ,Honda , etc...) on top of what the allready sold , thats impossible , not everyone is going to buy GM and theres not enough market growth to add that many new buyers plus those who bought import , for GM to have 50% or more share now they would have had to sale 9 million cars in the US alone plus what was allready sold by everyone else , theres not enough market for that or everyone would have had to buy GM and there so many choices today and people are so trendy and wanting to be different that that would never happen .

[carlover]

Originally Posted by rayce08

you are at a disadvantage if your company is based in the US , in any industry , not just the auto industry . isn't DC now based in germany ? if so , the only company's losing money are US based company's . we are being overtaken economically , in 20 years we will wake up and realize china is the new superpower and world leader .

This is complete BS. Based on your false understanding of the subject matter, Japanese and German economies should be doing great. Well, let's see, Japanese have been in a coma for the last 15 years, yes Fifteen years of a Recession!!!!!! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../ixportal.html
And Germans, well they have been one of the worst european economies -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4205086.stm

So, stop playing an economist.