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    Corvette Z06 Owners Hit GM With a Class Action Suit

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    Maybe GM should have just stuck to the Z06 formula for the..... erm, Z06.

    We believe we’ve found GM to be guilty of a classic bait and switch – one that cost thousands of consumers dearly, up to $120,000, and broke state consumer protection laws. GM enticed race enthusiasts with bells and whistles, promising a car that could maintain safe speeds and power when tracked, but we believe what it sold them was far from what it promised. This defect not only damages the Z06 engine, but endangers drivers.

    The defect in question markedly limits the car’s performance – the sole reason these hotrod enthusiasts bought the Corvette Z06 in the first place. If they’d known of this defect at the time of purchase, they likely wouldn’t have spent six figures on the Z06.

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    Re: Corvette Z06 Owners Hit GM With a Class Action Suit

    I think that suit will have a tough time proving that it "damages the Z06 engine" or "endangers drivers" since the limp mode protects the engine from damage, and even Z06s in reduced power mode have set faster lap times than the majority of sports cars.

    There's definitely a real issue with some '15/'16 cars, but many are driven by very fast drivers with no issues as well. Reports of tracking the manual '17s have been good so far, but we haven't gotten to the hottest part of summer yet. The A8 not having the extra cooler or the ability to add it means it's definitely at a disadvantage on the road course temperature wise though.

    It will be interesting if anyone but the lawyers end up getting anything out of this one. GM was already working on an upgrade for '15/'16 owners to the newer designed supercharger housing with improved intercoolers, and GMPP already sells the auxiliary cooler for the '15/'16 M7 cars that can be installed without voiding warranty and seems to let them run without issues up to 100 degrees ambient.
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    Re: Corvette Z06 Owners Hit GM With a Class Action Suit

    From what I've read, a plug was not in all in all the way and cause the cooling pump to intermittently fail. I hardly call this as poor engineering as is suggested here.

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    Re: Corvette Z06 Owners Hit GM With a Class Action Suit

    Yet another class action by the law firm Hagens Berman. We've talked in other threads about how this firm is well-known for being over-aggressive and filing lawsuits with little or no merit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al465 View Post
    From what I've read, a plug was not in all in all the way and cause the cooling pump to intermittently fail. I hardly call this as poor engineering as is suggested here.
    There's been a variety of issues.

    In one test with Best Driver's Car, they did find that the intercooler coolant pump was unplugged as a result of R&R work that had to be done after the car was crashed during C&D Lightning Lap (where it set one of the fastest times ever, btw).

    There has also been cases where cars didn't have sufficiently bled intercooler coolant loops, which also caused issues with cavitation that shuts the pump down.

    Owners have experienced elevated oil and coolant temp when tracking in hot ambient conditions. Other owners that post just as fast lap times have not had issues. It seems like there's some hit or miss manufacturing variability going on, but overall design issue less so. That said, per GM the design criteria was to be tracked up to 86* F ambient conditions, which turned out to be insufficient for what owners ended up using the car for. The 2017 model was increased to 100*F ambient and seems to work well up to those temperatures.

    The issues are real but I think they are also somewhat overblown.
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    Re: Corvette Z06 Owners Hit GM With a Class Action Suit

    They have a good chance of winning this one, I can't remember which interview however in a interview Tadge admitted that the Z06 was only able to track in 85 degree temperatures (or less). They admitted it and now they have even fixed it, but yes I feel like that they lied (but what marketing doesn't lie?) about calling this a track car.

    They couldn't at the time commit to producing a Z06 and a ZR1 so they should have just picked one and not build them both into one car. the Z06 should have had a fixed roof with reduced mass and a more powerful normally aspirated engine. Now look at what we have, we have a stated coming ZR1 Corvette that is even more track focused then the Z06 so where does that really put the Z06 at this point?. This leads me to a criticism I have with Tadge as chief Corvette engineer, he lacks a focus producing vehicles that are always a jack of all trades. This works out well for the base car however with the special cars they really need to be more focused. If you look at the Porsche 911 at the top you have the Porsche 911 turbo which is an ultimate GT and high speed cruiser while you also have the GT3 which is the ultimate track machine. Hell look at what Dodge did with the Dodge Challenger as you now have like 15 different trims with some serious difference in focus for the car. You now have two models of T/A Challenger (one with a 392) so you now have a track focused Challenger (even if it isn't as good as what the Camaro or Mustang offers). Hell even the Mustang has differentiation between the Mustang and the GT350R, why couldn't the Corvette do this one basic thing?.

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    Re: Corvette Z06 Owners Hit GM With a Class Action Suit

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    They have a good chance of winning this one, I can't remember which interview however in a interview Tadge admitted that the Z06 was only able to track in 85 degree temperatures (or less). They admitted it and now they have even fixed it, but yes I feel like that they lied (but what marketing doesn't lie?) about calling this a track car.

    They couldn't at the time commit to producing a Z06 and a ZR1 so they should have just picked one and not build them both into one car. the Z06 should have had a fixed roof with reduced mass and a more powerful normally aspirated engine. Now look at what we have, we have a stated coming ZR1 Corvette that is even more track focused then the Z06 so where does that really put the Z06 at this point?. This leads me to a criticism I have with Tadge as chief Corvette engineer, he lacks a focus producing vehicles that are always a jack of all trades. This works out well for the base car however with the special cars they really need to be more focused. If you look at the Porsche 911 at the top you have the Porsche 911 turbo which is an ultimate GT and high speed cruiser while you also have the GT3 which is the ultimate track machine. Hell look at what Dodge did with the Dodge Challenger as you now have like 15 different trims with some serious difference in focus for the car. You now have two models of T/A Challenger (one with a 392) so you now have a track focused Challenger (even if it isn't as good as what the Camaro or Mustang offers). Hell even the Mustang has differentiation between the Mustang and the GT350R, why couldn't the Corvette do this one basic thing?.
    I can't help but agree with your thoughts on Tadge. It's apparent that he strives to make all Corvette models jacks of all trades, eschewing the opportunity to use special models as brand building differentiators. If Tadge ran Porsche, the GT3 would just be a more expensive 911 Turbo.
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    Re: Corvette Z06 Owners Hit GM With a Class Action Suit

    Note to GM: Why can you not look after your most die-hard customers? There should be no reason you can't go above and beyond for the people that buy these cars instead of having them resort to lawyers. (No, I don't own a Corvette).

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadkillz View Post
    They have a good chance of winning this one, I can't remember which interview however in a interview Tadge admitted that the Z06 was only able to track in 85 degree temperatures (or less). They admitted it and now they have even fixed it, but yes I feel like that they lied (but what marketing doesn't lie?) about calling this a track car.

    They couldn't at the time commit to producing a Z06 and a ZR1 so they should have just picked one and not build them both into one car. the Z06 should have had a fixed roof with reduced mass and a more powerful normally aspirated engine. Now look at what we have, we have a stated coming ZR1 Corvette that is even more track focused then the Z06 so where does that really put the Z06 at this point?. This leads me to a criticism I have with Tadge as chief Corvette engineer, he lacks a focus producing vehicles that are always a jack of all trades. This works out well for the base car however with the special cars they really need to be more focused. If you look at the Porsche 911 at the top you have the Porsche 911 turbo which is an ultimate GT and high speed cruiser while you also have the GT3 which is the ultimate track machine. Hell look at what Dodge did with the Dodge Challenger as you now have like 15 different trims with some serious difference in focus for the car. You now have two models of T/A Challenger (one with a 392) so you now have a track focused Challenger (even if it isn't as good as what the Camaro or Mustang offers). Hell even the Mustang has differentiation between the Mustang and the GT350R, why couldn't the Corvette do this one basic thing?.
    Only being good to track up to 86F ambient temps is different than the "damages engine" and "unsafe for driver" that's being claimed by the suit though. The car gradually pulls timing (and thus power) as it heats up and can, if pushed hard enough by a skilled enough driver, go into limp mode.

    It's not really a safety issue as the suit claims though, and many manual cars seem to be fine on track even with fast drivers. Tons of videos exist. I think there might be enough evidence to prove a properly configured car can perform well on the track considering GM didn't really make any specifc claims as to the ability. When the car was released they said it was the "most track capable Corvette ever" (which it is the fastest on track) and while their marketing might have made it sound a bit better than it is, very few OEM stock vehicles can be tracked without needing some form of upgrade, and the list of those that can at speeds the C7Z can is very short.

    In summary I'm not sure this one has that great of chance of winning, but I wouldn't be surprised either way, really.
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    Re: Corvette Z06 Owners Hit GM With a Class Action Suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe in T.O. View Post
    Note to GM: Why can you not look after your most die-hard customers? There should be no reason you can't go above and beyond for the people that buy these cars instead of having them resort to lawyers. (No, I don't own a Corvette).
    This I agree with 100%.

    That said, GM did release a kit to improve the cooling abilities of the Z06 and added the parts standard to 2017. They also claim to be working on a parts swap program for the supercharger housing and intercooler bricks from the 2017 car to 2015 and 2016 owners, so they are at least trying to work with their customers.
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    Yet another class action by the law firm Hagens Berman. We've talked in other threads about how this firm is well-known for being over-aggressive and filing lawsuits with little or no merit.
    As soon as I see any action with their name on it, I think "nothing to see here" and move on.
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    Re: Corvette Z06 Owners Hit GM With a Class Action Suit

    You spend six figures on a car warranted to be "track ready," yet, when you take it to the track, it isn't. These customers shelled out big money and should have been taken better care of.

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    It's also funny that large chunks appear to be a copy/paste of their suit against the GT350 and therefore there are references to Ford being negligent on the design of the Corvette Z06...
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    Re: Corvette Z06 Owners Hit GM With a Class Action Suit

    The Lawyer will get his pound of fresh, GM will loose, its customers will loose.

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    The Lawyer will get his pound of fresh, GM will loose, its customers will loose.
    But will anybody, other than those poor Corvette owners lose?

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