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    Automotive Review of The Day - No holding back here.

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    No idea who Vince Burlapp is, but I have been reading his blog for a few years. Language problems aside, his writing can be quite entertaining.

    Take his current review of the just introduced, all new Honda Odyssey:





    A few things come to mind here. Like:

    - WTF?

    -What were they thinking?
    -Has Honda completely lost it?
    -Who designed this crap?
    -Why make it worse than before?
    -Was this designed in China?
    -Who authorized this?
    -Why am I looking at this?

    This is pretty terrible. I mean these weird wavy lines on the side never really work. Just ask Mazda with their second generation Mazda5.

    This is just one of the worst visual mess I have ever seen.

    And that interior looks like it was designed by a robot.

    I cannot believe this is an all new van. But Honda claims a new chassis.

    Still powered by the 3.5 Liter V6. Now with 280HP.
    With a 9 or 10 speed auto. Depending on versions.

    And look at that tiny sunroof option! So 1995.

    I mean this really look like a step backward for Honda. It makes the Chrysler Pacifica look like something out of a Science Fiction movie.

    First we got the weird (horrible) looking Fit. Then the messy Civic Hatchback.

    And now this.

    It really does feel like Honda has moved al of its design studio to China.

    And, I wonder how they will ruin the 2018 Accord...



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    Re: Automotive Review of The Day - No holding back here.

    A little out there no doubt...but he does have a point on the sunroof.

    Even the all new Traverse is using the older type roof (top photo)...while the all new Equinox gets a modern unit (bottom photo). Once you have seen the beauty of a panoramic roof, there is no going back to the mail-slot type.



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    Re: Automotive Review of The Day - No holding back here.

    The video game dash, sterile non human interior, Nike swoosh exterior and too many speed transmission all spell failure in my eyes. If this insanity continues there will never be a new car in my future.

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    Re: Automotive Review of The Day - No holding back here.

    And yet Americans will scoop them up by the tens of thousands.
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    Re: Automotive Review of The Day - No holding back here.

    My guess on the sun roof differences between the Traverse and the Equinox is due to their length and the extra needed strength in the long wheelbase of the Traverse.
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    Re: Automotive Review of The Day - No holding back here.

    Quote Originally Posted by sledgehammer777 View Post
    My guess on the sun roof differences between the Traverse and the Equinox is due to their length and the extra needed strength in the long wheelbase of the Traverse.
    Excellent point, however my best guess is that GM saved a ton of development capital by re-using the existing setup on the new generation vehicle.

    Can't really fault them for that. I'm sure they saved millions of dollars with the move, but the cost cutting does show. Here is the current Ford Explorer roof option, which would you rather have...



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    Re: Automotive Review of The Day - No holding back here.

    I get the comments regarding the sunroof, yet I can't get too worked up over it. We have a 1st gen SRX with the gigantic Ultraview sunroof. It looks really cool, but... the roof is closed about 99% of the time, and the shade is closed about 95% of the time. I'd actually prefer that it didn't have a sunroof. (More headroom, quieter, lower center of gravity, etc.)

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    As my eyes follow the side glass and notice the odd crease lines in the body, my mind thinks: slug.

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    Re: Automotive Review of The Day - No holding back here.

    Quote Originally Posted by sledgehammer777 View Post
    My guess on the sun roof differences between the Traverse and the Equinox is due to their length and the extra needed strength in the long wheelbase of the Traverse.
    Didn't Honda have an issue with exploding sunroofs in Accords? I imagine they're not keen to expand the amount of glass in the roof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perian View Post
    Excellent point, however my best guess is that GM saved a ton of development capital by re-using the existing setup on the new generation vehicle.

    Can't really fault them for that. I'm sure they saved millions of dollars with the move, but the cost cutting does show. Here is the current Ford Explorer roof option, which would you rather have...



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    I have this, and would never have one without. While I may not open the sunroof itself real often, I have the shade open all year except summer. I love the open and airy feel it gives to the cabin, and get very depressed during the summer when I don't have it open.

    That is such a strange oversight on the Traverse.
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    Re: Automotive Review of The Day - No holding back here.

    I think Honda hit the right dimensions and design from the 1999 model onwards

    Wheelbase: 118.1 in (3,000 mm)
    Length: 201.x in
    Width: 79.2 in (2,012 mm) this is only stuff being increasing
    Height: 69.7 in (1,770 mm) --> near 70
    Engine: 3.5 L V6

    They use good quality plastics and a very space efficient design and sell them for safety ( ex: 2005 one has 10 airbags ) . I believe this is what people look from a minivan. My only new expectation on the new odyssey was hybird/Plug-in power train. AWD option was in cards but i was so sure Honda don't make it as they want people to buy pilot for AWD.
    I think the reviewer never was a Honda driver/buyer.

    Again wait for 2 years , you may get a Pacific for cheap ( compare build quality of pacafica after 2 years use with 5 years used odyssey)
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    Re: Automotive Review of The Day - No holding back here.

    Looks like it was in an accident and the sheet metal is bent out of shape, not a fan..... But as said above it will sell well because it is a Honda....

    Question for the techies - could the smaller sunroof speak to the rigidity of the structure, meaning the structure isn't strong enough to handle a huge sunroof without a lot of flexing?

    I've never been a fan of the sunroof for the cost. My ATS is my first one without it, I never wanted one but always had to take one with the options I wanted. I don't miss it for a second, though my wife loves having it. I'd get one for $200, but the cost always seems to be $1,000 and above.... Not worth it for something that is closed most of the time and I find them to noisy on the highway where I do most of my driving.

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    Re: Automotive Review of The Day - No holding back here.

    These wavy lines show no imagination and a desire to be edgy. Simple is not dull, simple can be quite elegant. Think of all the beautiful cars that are simple

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    Re: Automotive Review of The Day - No holding back here.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    ....Question for the techies - could the smaller sunroof speak to the rigidity of the structure, meaning the structure isn't strong enough to handle a huge sunroof without a lot of flexing?....
    It's all about cost and mass.

    The teeny sunroof that Honda put up front very likely fits between the structural roof bows and doesn't compromise the structure. Plus the smaller size of that roof (with it's roof reinforcement ring) will be the least hit on mass and cost, aside from not having a sunroof.

    Basically, any vehicle can be built with a huge sunroof. You just have to make it's reinforcement ring that much beefier to make up for the loss of roof bows. And you can also expect a larger sunroof to add cost and mass. That extra mass is also at the top of the car, which is the worst place for mass.

    In the end, is a bigger sunroof worthwhile? It is if the customer says so. Honda must think that their customers won't care. But they also seem to think their customers will just love butt ugly styling, so....
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    Re: Automotive Review of The Day - No holding back here.

    I personally think a panoramic sunroof isn't any better than a regular one I had the 1st gen SRX with the massive sunroof and never drove with it completely open. My wife liked to keep the shade open, I didn't. I've had sunroofs in almost every car I've owned and can honestly say that I've probably opened and drove with them open maybe 4-5 times in the last 20 years. Not a deal breaker for me. I'd rather have the safety and rigidity.

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