Automotive News: Toyota is #1 in Sales for 2007

[69Firebird400]

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...309714026/1078

GM slipped well behind Toyota Motor Corp. in global sales. GM sold 8,885,599 total vehicles in 2007, while Toyota says it sold an estimated 9,370,000. Toyota will issue an official total in about a month.

It was widely reported this week that the two automakers finished in a dead heat for the No. 1 spot. Here is why: GM includes in its total 516,435 vehicles of the Wuling brand in China.

But GM owns only 34 percent of the Chinese company that produces Wuling vehicles, SAIC-GM-Wuling Automobile Co.

Automotive News follows industry practice by including sales of only majority-owned subsidiaries in an automaker's global total. For instance, sales of Mazda Motor Corp. are not included in Ford Motor Co.'s total because Ford owns 33.4 percent of Mazda.

[GMusa]

I thought it was offical that GM sold about 3000 more vehicles then Toyota??

[starlightmica]

Depends how you're counting. It's like a rehash of the whole Chevy vs. Toyota +/- Scion p***ing contest a couple weeks back, with a couple hundred thousand more cars.

[69Firebird400]

Originally Posted by GMusa

I thought it was offical that GM sold about 3000 more vehicles then Toyota??

The difference between the two ways of counting is that GM claimed credit for its joint venture in China, which it owns less than half of. The industry standard (according to Automotive News) is to only count results for subsidiaries that are majority owned.

Actually, the AutoNews method seems more fair to me. Like they said, Ford also doesn't get credit for Mazda in official numbers for the same reason (and Toyota wouldn't get credit for Subaru, etc.)

[VCDJ]

Look GM lost number 1 spot. That is it. Rick and his gang are responsible for it. They can try to include some chines cars in their total sales but, they do not own that company. So come on GM just admit it you lost that is it. Rick should of been fired a long time ago. Look what he did to this company. It keeps losing billions, quality is still not the same as of japanies cars. (any study you look at it will confirm it, and do not start on v-6 camry and tundra, toyota still has higher quality). Gm cars are not fuel efficient, look at malibu v-6? 3 mpg less then accord. Same with cobalt, aveo and new astra, vue and many more. It just tells you how far off gm managment is when it comes to consumers. People want fuel efficient cars and rick and lutz keep saying that people want big suv's and truck. Well lutz and rick take a look at toyota and see why they are number one and you are number two. People want fuel efficient, high quality and low cost of ownership cars.

[civilzues]

its fine, let them have the reign they want. they are ALREADY starting to fall apart, look at the recalls and the ugliness of there current products. I know I will be doing my part to help them this year and another item that might HELP sales this year is that if anyone leased a vehicle during the summer 2005, they will be back for another one sometime SOON!

[1931Chevy]

I predicted this yesterday that some magazine was going to bitch about GM adding numbers from here and there those SOB and sorry for the bad word but it pisses me off

[tamatt27]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

Look GM lost number 1 spot. That is it. Rick and his gang are responsible for it. They can try to include some chines cars in their total sales but, they do not own that company. So come on GM just admit it you lost that is it. Rick should of been fired a long time ago. Look what he did to this company. It keeps losing billions, quality is still not the same as of japanies cars. (any study you look at it will confirm it, and do not start on v-6 camry and tundra, toyota still has higher quality). Gm cars are not fuel efficient, look at malibu v-6? 3 mpg less then accord. Same with cobalt, aveo and new astra, vue and many more. It just tells you how far off gm managment is when it comes to consumers. People want fuel efficient cars and rick and lutz keep saying that people want big suv's and truck. Well lutz and rick take a look at toyota and see why they are number one and you are number two. People want fuel efficient, high quality and low cost of ownership cars.

Ah..the sentiments of the everyday American expressed solely in one post....
Why are you here?

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by tamatt27

Ah..the sentiments of the everyday American expressed solely in one post....
Why are you here?

Why am i here? I am here because i like gm. I am not here to be gm fan boy to agree with s*** that rick and lutz are saying. When everybody with half a brain can tell you that they are not telling the truth. I do not like what rick and lutz did to this company. Since you like to ask questions i want you to answer few of them.

How many billions did gm lose since rick and lutz took over?
How much of market share did they lose since they took over?
Is malibu v-6 more fuel efficient then v-6 accord?
Is Cobalt more fuel efficient then corola or civic?
Is aveo more fuel efficient then yaris or fit?
is vue more efficient then crv or rav4?
Is gm quality better then competition (honda and toyota)?
How about GM market Capt? 14 billion and how much was it before those two idiots took over?
How many jobs and plants have been closed down since lutz and rick took over and they are still losing money?
What did these two morons do good for GM?
Anybody who answers these question will see what kind of damage rick and lutz did to this company and why gm is #2 now and not #1.

[lam]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

Look GM lost number 1 spot. That is it. Rick and his gang are responsible for it. They can try to include some chines cars in their total sales but, they do not own that company. So come on GM just admit it you lost that is it. Rick should of been fired a long time ago. Look what he did to this company. It keeps losing billions, quality is still not the same as of japanies cars. (any study you look at it will confirm it, and do not start on v-6 camry and tundra, toyota still has higher quality). Gm cars are not fuel efficient, look at malibu v-6? 3 mpg less then accord. Same with cobalt, aveo and new astra, vue and many more. It just tells you how far off gm managment is when it comes to consumers. People want fuel efficient cars and rick and lutz keep saying that people want big suv's and truck. Well lutz and rick take a look at toyota and see why they are number one and you are number two. People want fuel efficient, high quality and low cost of ownership cars.

Go hump your Toyota.

[Mcmflow]

This actually happened last year too, they included this company in the total and they were beat by Toyota then, I don't know why they would try to pull it again, just makes them look bad when they try it two years in a row. Why make yourself look like your trying to pull a fast one??

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by tamatt27

Ah..the sentiments of the everyday American expressed solely in one post....
Why are you here?

sentiments of everyday American expressed. Doesn't that tell you something right there. Most people agree with me. Only gm fan boys disagree with me. Gm fan boys are running this company that is why gm is loosing sales and market share.

[Olds88]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

People want fuel efficient cars and rick and lutz keep saying that people want big suv's and truck. Well lutz and rick take a look at toyota and see why they are number one and you are number two. People want fuel efficient, high quality and low cost of ownership cars.

Toyotas have terrifically high cost of ownership. They're overpriced to begin with, the dealers won't budge on pricing, and the imported parts aren't cheap and the dealers will price gouge you wherever they can on service and repairs. The attitude is that you are lucky and privileged to buy a Toyota, not that they are lucky and privileged to have you as a customer. The TCO advantage for Toyota is a myth. Quality is largely overstated too. Use the highway test. See how many cars from the 80 and 90s you still see driving around on the highway. You see far more older American models than Japanese.

Malibu's ecotec is competitive in everyway with Honda. The V6 is competitive in every way with Camry's. Cobalt is turning out to not be much of an econo-carwith GM focusing on giving it performance (the SS/T will stomp all over the Si and Corolla S, while getting respectable economy).

Also Americans want fuel efficient vehicles? Is that right? Is that why we bought over 1 million fullsize pickups from GM (Silverado + Sierra + Avalanche), and nearly 1 million from Ford in 2007? Lutz may be on to something there. Over 2 million full-size pickups sold making it the largest market in the USA. Yep we Americans sure don't like trucks, what's Lutz smoking? Betcha Malibu does better in the midsize market than Tundra did in the pickup market too.

[tamatt27]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

Why am i here? I am here because i like gm. I do not like what rick and lutz did to this company. Since you like to ask questions i want you to answer few of them.

How many billions did gm lose since rick and lutz took over?
How much of market share did they lose since they took over?
Is malibu v-6 more fuel efficient then v-6 accord?
Is Cobalt more fuel efficient then corola or civic?
Is aveo more fuel efficient then yaris or fit?
is vue more efficient then crv or rav4?
Is gm quality better then competition (honda and toyota)?
How about GM market Capt? 14 billion and how much was it before those two idiots took over?
How many jobs and plants have been closed down since lutz and rick took over and they are still losing money?
What did these two morons do good for GM?

How many billions did gm lose since rick and lutz took over? I don't know
How much of market share did they lose since they took over? I don't know..but their market share was on the decline before Rick and Bob took over...this cannot be seen as solely their fault
Is malibu v-6 more fuel efficient then v-6 accord? I don't know
Is Cobalt more fuel efficient then corola or civic? Does the Corolla or Civic have as much power as the Cobalt?
Is aveo more fuel efficient then yaris or fit? I don't know
is vue more efficient then crv or rav4? Is the CRV or Rav4 as well designed as the new Vue?
Is gm quality better then competition (honda and toyota)? Yes! Perception, which is what I believe you are speaking from, is not always a reality. Although Honda is doing well for themselves, and I respect them as a company.
How about GM market Capt? 14 billion and how much was it before those two idiots took over? I don't know...certain sacrifices have to be made for changes to come about
How many jobs and plants have been closed down since lutz and rick took over and they are still losing money? They're not losing money now that these changes have taken place, if I remember correctly.
What did these two morons do good for GM? Bob Lutz has done more for the American automobile in the past 20 years than anyone I can think of. I have enormous respect for the man!

It is very easy to point out GM's short-falls, as I will agree that GM was in very bad shape 3-5 years ago. Rick and Bob are slowly 'turning the ship around' you could say. Success could not be done overnight, and GM was in worse shape before Rick and Bob signed on....so I'd say they're doing their job fairly well.

[Slowrider5]

Originally Posted by Mcmflow

This actually happened last year too, they included this company in the total and they were beat by Toyota then, I don't know why they would try to pull it again, just makes them look bad when they try it two years in a row. Why make yourself look like your trying to pull a fast one??

Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. AutoNews reported this condition existed last year and according to them, Toyota was number 1.