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Old 04-09-2008, 09:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Americans Don't Love Trucks Anymore

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By any measure, March was a lousy month for the car business. But for Detroit, it was truly dreadful.

Pickup trucks are taking a real beating. The combination of high fuel prices and the housing market is hammering sales of Detroit's best-selling vehicle—the large pickup. The downturn comes just as all three Detroit carmakers are coming out of big restructuring actions, and two of them—Ford Motor ( F) and Chrysler—are bringing new pickups to market.

While the pickup business has been struggling for some time, March was especially tough considering that there were some big sales on pickups. Sales of Ford's F-series and the Chevrolet Silverado were down about 18%, and the Dodge Ram was off 26%. Mark LaNeve, GM-North America's vice-president for sales and marketing, was understated when he said: "March was a soft month for traditional trucks."

Drop-off in Pickups
It wasn't that automakers weren't making it easy to buy a truck. The discounts were generous. General Motors ( GM) had 0% financing. Ford offered rebates as high as $5,500. Dodge also offered $5,000 off on the Ram according to Automotive News. Toyota Motor (TM) was also singing the blues with its Tundra pickup, offering 0% or up to $5,000 off. Says J.D. Power & Associates analyst Tom Libby: "They spent a lot of money on incentive, and they still couldn't hold sales up."

What's worse is that prices for used pickup trucks fell for the sixth straight month, notes Lehman Brothers (LEH) analyst Brian Johnson. In March, used pickup prices fell faster than for most other types of vehicles.

Used pickups are losing their value quickly. The average three-year-old truck lost $4,200 over the past year, says Ricky Beggs, vice-president and managing editor of the Atlanta-based Black Book, which tracks used-car prices. Two years ago, a three-year-old pickup only lost $2,650 in value, he says. Even diesel pickups—valued by businesses because of their better fuel economy—have been losing value. "They have been going in the can," Beggs says. "There's no question it's related to the contraction in housing."

Declining Source of Strength
With construction down, contractors aren't buying many new trucks. And for the recreational pickup buyer, gas prices have become a problem. Even some dealers in Texas, where pickups are king, were complaining. "We were down quite a bit," says James Hardick, part owner of Moritz Chevrolet in Fort Worth.
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The NA buying public is speaking forcefully with it's wallet. The vehicle makers know this very very well from their own monthly sales stats. It's easy to track.

Midsized BOF SUVs like the iconic Explorer, Durango/Aspen, TrailBlazer/Envoy, 4Runner/FJ and Pathfinder are finished ... DOA. At best a couple will remain as niche vehicles for the hardcore offroader. The others will be retired or remade as crossovers.

Fullsized BOF SUVs are on life support. The Escalades, Tahoe/Yukon, Expedition, Armada and soon the Sequoia are no longer symbols of 'having made it'. They too will become niche vehicles as family movers that can tow. But the new class of crossovers like the Lambda's are better as just people movers. When the 2-Modes are dropped into the Lambdas it will really goose sales.

Certain people will always need a truck. But they will need it for work, not as a statement of ruggedness. If, because fuel is too expensive, one is not going to drive 1000 miles out into the wilderness to get food for the family then why own a truck to go around the block to the supermarket? In their heyday roughly 2.5 million full sized trucks were sold annually and about half that many 'compact trucks' were sold. This year the numbers may look like..
.. 1,800,000 full sized trucks
..... 400,000 compact trucks

Overall from the end of 2003 to the end of 2007 1 million buyers have chosen not to buy a truck or truck-based SUV. Just this last quarter an additional 160,000 buyers opted not to buy as compared with last year's figures. Some can't buy for a number of reasons ( housing, economy, personal finances ), some are just waiting and some will never buy a truck/SUV again.

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Old 04-09-2008, 12:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Why are people surprised? We knew this was going to happen 2-3 years ago!!!
At least GM launched their new trucks a few years ago, so they can now concentrate on new CARS.

I don't believe trucks will go away. But trucks as we know it -- large, hulking behemoths will probably go away from normal use and be reserved for more commercials uses. If you want a truck these days, it's most likely going to be a compact to mid-size one. Unfortunately, GM and Ford gave up that market to the imports YEARS ago.

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
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Phish, Yes sales are down in all segments not just trucks, so that 1 million who didn't buy a truck also just flat didn't buy any new vehicle. I doubt trucks will ever come back to the heights they once occupied in sales volume, but like said nothing will get some of the jobs done like a full size truck. I personally believe that it is just the economy and that the soft full size truck owners can't justify owning a 5000 lbs V8 car with an open trunk.
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i still want one :P
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Investment in the new crossovers couldn't have come any sooner.
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Well, just do the math...a 30-gallon tank would cost anywhere from $120-$150 to fill up with gas at $4-$5/gal (don't laugh, we'll be there sooner than you think)...and at 10-14 real-world mpg, it costs some serious money if you're putting any kind of mileage on them. Plus, last I checked they weren't exactly cheap to buy and/or insure.

It's kind of a mixed bag...on one hand, I'm glad to see people getting out of big gas-guzzling trucks and suv's that they really don't need...on the other hand, we all know that GM, Ford, and Chrysler rely on these full-size trucks and suv's for the majority of their profits, and I just don't see how GM, Ford, or Chrysler will ever make any money in America if they can't continue to sell the large number of full-size trucks and suv's they're used to selling every year.
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i have seen also of people who own a big truck are going out and buying little cars that are good on gas and keeping the truck parked when not needed. my dad is now looking for a truck and hes going to drive my cavalier around when im driveing my G5 and in the winter he will take the truck and ill take my cavalier back.
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i do not think that it is America does not love them anymore i just think that people who do not really need trucks are getting something else or smaller. .. THe pick up is going no where.. i will always be a symbol of America
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And for the recreational pickup buyer, gas prices have become a problem. Even some dealers in Texas, where pickups are king, were complaining. "We were down quite a bit," says James Hardick, part owner of Moritz Chevrolet in Fort Worth.
Wait a minute. Buyers are voting their wallet and exercising their influence? They're the ones telling automakers that they need to come up with more fuel efficient vehicles? This sounds awfully like a free market solving some problems, if you ask me. I think the government needs to get involved and put an end to this silliness. Is there some legislation that can stop this?

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The downturn comes just as all three Detroit carmakers are coming out of big restructuring actions, and two of them—Ford Motor ( F) and Chrysler—are bringing new pickups to market.
Sure, buyers aren't buying them in the numbers they were even just recently, but the vehicles are still going to be needed, and Detroit needs to invest in them. The timing might not be ideal, but if the market is shrinking, let Asian brands take more of the hit. I say come out swinging. After all, the F-series and Ram account for hundreds of thousands of sales each for their respective parents.
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Like i said who is crazy to buy a truck when price of gas is almost $4 and it will go up every year. Businesses will always need a truck. But why do people buy then that just go to an office job is just crazy. Why would you want to waste so much money on fuel and truck. There are better ways to spend it.
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I think the fact that trucks are generally $ 10 grand over priced has a big part of why they aren’t selling as well. Many truck buyers simply can’t afford a $50,000 dollar Duramax, especially when considering current financial woes and prices!
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i have seen also of people who own a big truck are going out and buying little cars that are good on gas and keeping the truck parked when not needed. my dad is now looking for a truck and hes going to drive my cavalier around when im driveing my G5 and in the winter he will take the truck and ill take my cavalier back.
Does the cost of insurance and taxes on two cars plus the cost for gas for a more fuel efficient car still come to less than what it would cost to simply pay the taxes and insurance on one vehicle that gets lesser fuel economy? I don't know, but it sounds like it might be too close to call, depending on how much your father drives.

It strikes me as odd that someone would spend thousands on another car to save money on gas, particularly when you now have another tax bill and insurance bill.

Sort of reminds me of someone who bragged about her husband paying 6 cents less per gallon for gasoline that required a 30-minute round trip to obtain. I summed it up simply: "So, your husband spent 30 minutes roundtrip to save approximately 90 cents to fill up your car?! He mustn't make much per hour to see that as a good use of half an hour of his life."
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Detroit made a ton of money selling overpriced SUV’s and trucks to yokels who thought it was cool to drive the latest fad.
Now with skyrocketing gas prices and a renewed “green” movement they will all buy the new fad, overpriced hybrids.
At least for those out there who actually need a truck, they’ll get a great deal on a new or used one.
Maybe Detroit will put their energy on making a reasonably priced truck for those who need them and not into $50k pretty boy ones.

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If GM made a competive mini truck, I think it would do very well. I miss the S10, we had many of them and they were great trucks.
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