$25 Billion Auto Bailout may mean some RWD projects will move forward at GM - Page 8

civilzues · 10-05-2008, 10:16 AM

why does everyone want pontiac to go RWD? Buick was at one time RWD. I think one of the main reasons that Pontiac is going to stay FWD is that Pontiac has the youngest age demographic out of any brand.

Dr. Show-Me · 10-05-2008, 11:42 AM

GM should pre-announce that they are going to stay in the large sedan market, but bring technologies that will vastly improve the fuel ecomony of the cars:
AFM that can run on 8, 6, 4 or 2 cylinders, DI, Dual-Mode, BAS+, 7 or 8 speed transmissions, diesels, and lighter weight.
If you get the large sedans producing 28-30 mpg, with smaller cars getting 35-50 mpg, you can meet the 35 mpg standard.
It's not rocket science, but it is advanced engineering.

tamatt27 · 10-05-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ehaase

With 35 mpg combined CAFE for cars and trucks, this thread is just wishful thinking. By 2018, if GM survives, the Cruze will be the largest Chevrolet.

"If GM survives" is the operative phrase here. '35 MPG CAFE by 2020' means nothing if GM can't develop PROFITABLE vehicles that sell! GM needs to spend this money focusing on making Volt variants profitable.

AMcA · 10-06-2008, 05:39 PM

Please, just keep the Alpha light. I don't want to see a little car that weighs 3900 lbs. Too much of that at GM lately.

Z284ever · 10-06-2008, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AMcA

Please, just keep the Alpha light. I don't want to see a little car that weighs 3900 lbs. Too much of that at GM lately.

Amen to that!

Gm786 · 10-06-2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AMcA

Please, just keep the Alpha light. I don't want to see a little car that weighs 3900 lbs. Too much of that at GM lately.

Right On! If GM doesn't keep or I should say design the Alpha platform to be lightweight, then I'm afraid the platform will TANK. Hopefully GM will do the platform right so that it will be an instant hit because the last thing GM needs is wasted R&D money and a RWD platform that's overweight.

vcs2600 · 10-06-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by member12

I think that if GM doesn't see the success that Chrysler had with the 300C and Charger, then they are completely stupid.

you obviously haven't checked the sales figures of those cars lately.

You RWD Everywhere nuts keep coming up with genius plans to destroy half of GM's marketshare.

Exploder · 10-07-2008, 02:24 AM

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Please, just keep the Alpha light. I don't want to see a little car that weighs 3900 lbs. Too much of that at GM lately.

I thought that was the whole point of using Alpha instead of Zeta to make the same type of cars - it's lighter. Or will be. Hopefully.

Dr. Show-Me · 10-07-2008, 07:18 AM

Lighter weight is fine, but do you care what the car weighs if it gets great mileage performs well?
If you make it too light, you could end up with chasis/ body flex and more road noise

Z284ever · 10-07-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Show-Me

Lighter weight is fine, but do you care what the car weighs if it gets great mileage performs well?
If you make it too light, you could end up with chasis/ body flex and more road noise

Light doesn't have to mean flimsy. Cars like the Mini and 1 Series are pretty light, yet feel rock solid.

It's inconcievable to me, that Cadillac will in any way, allow Alpha to have body flex.

Buick Riviera · 10-07-2008, 04:58 PM

2010 Chverolet Impala sedan on Alpha LWB Platforum and 2010 Chevrolet Caprice on EPII LWB platforum. How does that sound?

oklapike · 10-07-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Buick Riviera

2010 Chverolet Impala sedan on Alpha LWB Platforum and 2010 Chevrolet Caprice on EPII LWB platforum. How does that sound?

Sounds fine, but for two things. It's actually platform, and it's more likely to be 2014-15.

FierySolstice · 10-08-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Buick Riviera

2010 Chverolet Impala sedan on Alpha LWB Platforum and 2010 Chevrolet Caprice on EPII LWB platforum. How does that sound?

Ridiculous! Chevy has enough cars as it is. We need better built smaller cars for Chevy. An Alpha G6 and the G8 will be more than enough for the RWD segment. Buick needs to be FWD as Cadillac is RWD. Chevy needs to be FWD as Pontiac is RWD. It just makes sense. If Pontiac was FWD they would just be rebadged Chevy's, kinda like what the G3/G5 are now. If Buick was RWD it would definitely take sales away from Cadillac.

civilzues · 10-08-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FierySolstice

Ridiculous! Chevy has enough cars as it is. We need better built smaller cars for Chevy. An Alpha G6 and the G8 will be more than enough for the RWD segment. Buick needs to be FWD as Cadillac is RWD. Chevy needs to be FWD as Pontiac is RWD. It just makes sense. If Pontiac was FWD they would just be rebadged Chevy's, kinda like what the G3/G5 are now. If Buick was RWD it would definitely take sales away from Cadillac.

No it would not. If Buick is FWD it's going to take away sales from Chevy.

philr · 10-08-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FierySolstice

If Buick was RWD it would definitely take sales away from Cadillac.

I'd never buy a Cadillac, but I'd buy another RWD Buick anytime! And even if Buick took sales from Cadillac, that wouldn't be bad news for GM! Buick currently takes no sales from any competitor because it's currently not competitive at all... And THAT's bad for GM!

Cadillac is the first among the remaining GM divisions that got a FWD car (the 1967 Eldorado). Buick refused to make FWD cars back then.
And Buick was always more popular than Cadillac...

10-05-2008, 10:16 AM	#106 (permalink)
civilzues 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,838	Re: $25 Billion Auto Bailout may mean some RWD projects will move forward at GM why does everyone want pontiac to go RWD? Buick was at one time RWD. I think one of the main reasons that Pontiac is going to stay FWD is that Pontiac has the youngest age demographic out of any brand. __________________ I live in Detroit, the only place in the world where you have to head south to get into Canada.

10-05-2008, 11:42 AM	#107 (permalink)
Dr. Show-Me 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,932	Re: $25 Billion Auto Bailout may mean some RWD projects will move forward at GM GM should pre-announce that they are going to stay in the large sedan market, but bring technologies that will vastly improve the fuel ecomony of the cars: AFM that can run on 8, 6, 4 or 2 cylinders, DI, Dual-Mode, BAS+, 7 or 8 speed transmissions, diesels, and lighter weight. If you get the large sedans producing 28-30 mpg, with smaller cars getting 35-50 mpg, you can meet the 35 mpg standard. It's not rocket science, but it is advanced engineering.

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AMcA 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,572	Re: $25 Billion Auto Bailout may mean some RWD projects will move forward at GM Please, just keep the Alpha light. I don't want to see a little car that weighs 3900 lbs. Too much of that at GM lately.

10-07-2008, 07:18 AM	#114 (permalink)
Dr. Show-Me 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,932	Re: $25 Billion Auto Bailout may mean some RWD projects will move forward at GM Lighter weight is fine, but do you care what the car weighs if it gets great mileage performs well? If you make it too light, you could end up with chasis/ body flex and more road noise

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Buick Riviera 2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 478	Re: $25 Billion Auto Bailout may mean some RWD projects will move forward at GM 2010 Chverolet Impala sedan on Alpha LWB Platforum and 2010 Chevrolet Caprice on EPII LWB platforum. How does that sound?

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