2009 U.S. EPA Ratings List A Pontiac "G3 Hatchback"; VW Jetta Diesel Rated @ 30/41MPG

[igotzzoom]

I've got to admit I'm a little disappointed at the economy ratings for the VW. They're still good, but after all this hype about "50-60 mpg" they're a bit of a letdown. But I'd still take a TDI over a Prius any day!

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by Michael_S

Remember, the way the EPA rates fuel economy changed for model year 2008. The change moved the Prius from 60/51 to 48/45.

30/41 for the Jetta under the new standard isn't bad.

Well, without looking up who said what when..... from memory these are a little off - about 7% city and 10% highway .

44-46 highway was the 'expectation' that I 'remember'.

Still a very good set of numbers for T2B5 with our fuel..

The at's are 29/40 regardless of body style.

[VibenPontiac]

Originally Posted by skylark68

With gas already hitting $4 a gallon in some markets, what would you do?

Pontiac is merely reacting in the short term which makes sense in this very volatile market. Would you rather a Pontiac dealer pick up some sales, or the Honda/Toyota dealership down the street?

Assuming the "G3" is for real and coming to the local P-B-G dealership...No-one is going to choose a re-badged Aveo Pontiac G3 over a Fit or even the ugly Yaris. They may choose it over the Aveo but then what's the point of that. All this is going to do is make the job of turning Pontiac into a niche value sports division all the more difficult.

[Greg Burr]

Originally Posted by VibenPontiac

Assuming the "G3" is for real and coming to the local P-B-G dealership...No-one is going to choose a re-badged Aveo Pontiac G3 over a Fit or even the ugly Yaris. They may choose it over the Aveo but then what's the point of that. All this is going to do is make the job of turning Pontiac into a niche value sports division all the more difficult.

Yes. If they're going to be pulling this BS off, then I would kill the division (because that's what they're doing, with this, the G5 and the Vibe) and just offer performance sedans under the Chevy SS moniker.

[PontiacBixler]

If I've said once I've said it a million times.... There was nothing wrong with the Aztek.

I am being serious though. It could have become a nice sporty SUV/CUV for Pontiac today, much like the new BMW X6. Widen the stance and make it more aggressive looking and Pontiac would have had a screamer of a Ute.

Please God, don't let GM knee jerk Pontiac again by bringing out a G3. The G5 was horrendous enough and still is.

I point and laugh at people who drive a Pontiac Cobalt. It's the red headed step child of Pontiac. You can tell that Momma Pontiac was spending too much time hanging around Poppa Chevy instead of Poppa Pontiac when that ******* child came out.

[K Dawg ONE]

Originally Posted by PontiacBixler

The G5 was horrendous enough and still is.

But, but, but...you get a spoiler, white-faced speedo, and floor mats STANDARD on the G5 so its the winnerzzzz!

[Ultimate1]

Originally Posted by Perian

Link: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm


Interesting find on the 2009 EPA fuel ratings...A Pontiac "G3 Hatchback" is listed at 25/34MPG. Why would Pontiac pay the EPA to rate this car for the United States?

Are Pontiac dealers about to get an entry level vehicle, is GM just preparing for the worst, or is this just some kind of paperwork transaction?

Note: The G3 is based on the Chevy Aveo / Daewoo Gentra.


Also from the new ratings:

With all I have read about the upcoming VW Jetta diesel, I must admit to being quite surprised at the official EPA MPG figures of 30 City and 41 Highway (with a manual transmission).

Remember this quote from Popular Mechanics*: "If reports are correct, the Jetta should get upwards of 50 mpg, combined highway and city."


Here in New York, regular gasoline is selling at $ 4.09, while diesel is $ 5.05 per gallon...a 23% difference. Add in the estimated $2000 cost of the VW diesel option and GM may be on the right track by not rushing to offer diesel powered passenger cars.


A partial listing of 2009 EPA MPG figures may be found at the link.

*December 2007 issue.

In actual per mile cost though it is around less than 3 percent difference, not 23 percent.

(assuming the gas vehicle achieves 35mpg best and the Diesel 41mpg)

Yeah it is still more expensive to run diesel but its really just the price premium.

[Firebird00]

Pontiac G3......omfg

[crooner214]

Originally Posted by FierySolstice

Bite your tongue, that is a HORRIBLE idea. Its bad enough that Chevy has the Aveo and can't build a car itself, but have Daewoo build one for them, but don't give it to the performance brand! My god, isn't it bad enough that we let Toyota, who makes the biggest yawn-mobiles, build the Vibe?!!

I, too, would like to see Pontiac return to automotive greatness, but I just don't see how it will survive without some practical product applications. Having two or three rear-wheel-drive products is not going to work until GMC and Buick are realigned into their respective roles. Ideas like this are the only way Pontiac will last long enough to ever be a performance division.

[E. Haskell]

If the diesel premium is $2k, you're looking at a 5 year pay back period compared to the 2.5L. After that, you'd save $400-500/year.

[CamaroCrazy]

Let's continue this horrorfest.......

Anyone remember the Pontiac Firefly? The Metro from an even deeper level of hell!





With the way gas prices are, this winner just might be worth something more than the scrap metal its made out of.

[logansowner]

Originally Posted by nsap

If I recall, the Pontiac G4 (a Canadian-only Cobalt knock-off) was listed on the EPA's website for awhile when it first came out.

G5.

So basically what you guys are getting is our Pontiac Wave....you can take them all, horrible cars, look worse than the Aveo.

[logansowner]

Originally Posted by K Dawg ONE

FierySolstice, read above please...the PONTIAC WAVE has been here for going on 4MY now....

Not in the US.

[K Dawg ONE]

Originally Posted by logansowner

Not in the US.

No, I know that...what I meant is that badging an Aveo as a Pontiac isnt something in the distant future. Just saying that yes, gm WOULD badge a cheap Korean car under the Arrowhead and has, in fact, been doing so for 4MYs....

[AndrewGS]

I am totally unimpressed with the numbers on the automatic Aveo. The manual will be rated a more respectable 27MPG/35MPG.

I wish they'd hurry up with the Cobalt's numbers.