GMI Announces New Moderation Method

[nsap]

Originally Posted by darndot

NSAP have we drove you crazy yet with questions?

I just hope the server can handle the load. I am getting a lot of server busy search disabled messages.

Nah. I would have locked the thread if I didn't want questions. I'm very excited about the infractions feature, because I think everyone benefits from it. It's good to ask questions about it, everyone needs to know the parameters of it so we don't run into "well I didn't know XXXXX" in the long run.

[Mr. Burns]

Originally Posted by nsap

Nah. I would have locked the thread if I didn't want questions. I'm very excited about the infractions feature, because I think everyone benefits from it. It's good to ask questions about it, everyone needs to know the parameters of it so we don't run into "well I didn't know XXXXX" in the long run.

Just please implement the reputations feature as well!

[Corr69]

Originally Posted by FordRules

Ok, so example:




So thats fine?

Sure.... is this?

Originally Posted by some annoying ford lover

The tundra is stupid and ugly. Even though I base my decisions on everything that I "hear" from GM fanboys, my opinion is always right. SFA is better than IFS even though I only believe this because I'm obsessed with Jeeps. Toyotas suck! yadda yadda yadda. Troll Troll Troll

Originally Posted by me;

Shut the hell up

[lio45]

So, are we going to be able to see everyone else's points? See who is on top, who is close, etc.?

'Cause it takes all the fun out of raking in the points if you can't see how you compare to other GMIers.

[IROCNROL1]

Originally Posted by Russell

I guess I could get an evil twin if I wanted to bash someone or break the rules.

I had an evil twin. Unfortunately, he died due to a massive power surge while he was having laser hemorrhoid surgery, so I had to take up the slack.

[AndrewGS]

Originally Posted by IROCNROL1

I had an evil twin. Unfortunately, he died due to a massive power surge while he was having laser hemorrhoid surgery, so I had to take up the slack.

I had an uncle that went that way. Terrible way to die.

[Mr. Burns]

Originally Posted by IROCNROL1

I had an evil twin. Unfortunately, he died due to a massive power surge while he was having laser hemorrhoid surgery, so I had to take up the slack.

That's where you're wrong, I'm still alive! muhahahahaha

[Firebird00]

This new system seems fair enough to me. The only questionable thing I have is about the rep system. I've been a part of some other sites before that used a rep system to rate a member and it usually brings out the immature 14 year old girl in fully grown men.

While in theory it sounds good, in practice I have observed it to create a lot of unnecessary bickering if someone neg reps another member (whether they deserve it or not). On a couple of sites it became a game to neg rep as many people as possible. I'm not saying that that sort of idiot mentality is prevalent here, but there are a few members with the potential. Overall I just think a reputation system is not needed as the potential bad drama and ill feelings outweigh the positives (and I can't think of any legitimate positive to make it worthwhile.)

I can't make up anyones mind for them, but I hope ya'll at least consider what I have said. I know from experience.

[IROCNROL1]

Originally Posted by LAMRONH

Don;t fourgett you're carbone credittes, whitch nac be gotted four squealing or finking or ratting out som ee onee.

RE: your sig...how about: moving the way forward like a three headed rock ?

Thanks, but I haven't forgotten them. In fact, your signature is my first attempt at amassing negative points against some future meltdown on my part. Since it insults all of homo-sapienity I have to ask, what could be more racist than that? The obvious answer (in my mind, of course) is nothing!

Since you will be accumulating positive penalty points at the same time my negativity grows, and I positively love negativity, I'm pretty positive that there are no negatives involved on my part except the positive negatives I planned on procuring in the first place.

Also, I plan on petitioning the powers that be to exclude Neanderthals from the list of people who can't be persecuted without incurring precious penalty points, since although technically they are a race, they are not the Human race that I'm sure was the intended target of protection provided for in the new rules.

If successful in pleading my case, I'm afraid that since you are the sole surviving subject of this sadly scorned species, you will be in the unique position of being the only being capable of being targeted with racism with impunity. Nothing personal, it's just that I have an "us against them" mentality that has been systematically strangled, stymied and suppressed and I need someone to vent my feelings of frustration on without fear of facing future repercussions.

If it's any consolation, I still plan on voting for you for president.

[Neanderthal]

Originally Posted by rhvfd10

So I don't think this has been brought up yet but how long would a "point" stay on your record? 1 mo, 6mo, year, forever? Is 25 points accumulated over 5 years or similar going to result in eternal banishment? (I think 1 year would make sense)

Don't froget, GMI points can be transferred to your driver's license.

[Neanderthal]

Originally Posted by IROCNROL1

Thanks, but I haven't forgotten them. In fact, your signature is my first attempt at amassing negative points against some future meltdown on my part. Since it insults all of homo-sapienity I have to ask, what could be more racist than that? The obvious answer (in my mind, of course) is nothing!

Since you will be accumulating positive penalty points at the same time my negativity grows, and I positively love negativity, I'm pretty positive that there are no negatives involved on my part except the positive negatives I planned on procuring in the first place.

Also, I plan on petitioning the powers that be to exclude Neanderthals from the list of people who can't be persecuted without incurring precious penalty points, since although technically they are a race, they are not the Human race that I'm sure was the intended target of protection provided for in the new rules.

If successful in pleading my case, I'm afraid that since you are the sole surviving subject of this sadly scorned species, you will be in the unique position of being the only being capable of being targeted with racism with impunity. Nothing personal, it's just that I have an "us against them" mentality that has been systematically strangled, stymied and suppressed and I need someone to vent my feelings of frustration on without fear of facing future repercussions.

If it's any consolation, I still plan on voting for you for president.

I humbly submit that being president is a poor consolation prize. Does it take more than one vote to win?
I could use the 200 grand/year, however.

BTW, there are many of us Neanderthals roaming the earth.
Homo saps, in their self-aggrandizing, pat-yourself-on-the-back-until-you-dislocate-your-shoulder manner which they have perfected over the years along with the species myth of globaloneywarming proportions that they are the most intelligent species fouling their own dens, are no different from other youngsters whose vision has yet to mature.

[MonaroSS]

The lawyer and libertarian in me don't like restrictions on free speech. However, I don't see anything arduous with the exception of the conditions for Permanent Banning. I will go into that later.

While it may make things apparently easier on the Mods I doubt that the system will be one bit more or less fair than it always was. The reason is that the discretion that allows favouritism simply moves from the penalty action to the interpretation of whether an infraction actually occurred. Insults, racism, trolling and the appropriateness of language are all things that cannot be defined by the inclusion or not of one or more specific words. All these infractions must be judged 'in the context' of the discussion going on at the time.

Additionally, I for one, as an Aussie, would not want anyone punished for accusing me and my countrymen of being "Drunken Aussie Bars.....ds" and I would not consider it an insult for me to say that an unwisely held and repeated opinion of an Englishman was typical of a "Whining Pommy Git". So I hope Mods don't confuse friendly national rivalry with genuine racism.

Also, automated processes of justice are usually 'less' fair than those moderated by a human being who can properly judge the culpability of an action. For example:

A person may make several very mild derogatory remarks about other members and get a bunch of points quickly simply because some other member doesn't like them and dobs them in at the merest hint of an insult to a Mod, perhaps a Mod they know also doesn't like that person. But another member may have only a couple of insults against them that were verging on racist but for a friendly Mod’s interpretation. Then the automated system kicks in and punishes that person who's overall culpability is far less than the other racist member.

As a side issue, I think the Mods need to think about and form a policy on how they deal with a 'spree'. This points system presumes offences being committed over time and warnings being given in between, but sometimes a person gets drunk and upon arriving home, and no longer in control of discretion or good judgment making, decides to go online instead of to bed. In such a state, and without full appreciation of what they are doing it is foreseeable that a member could clock up a dozen insults in a session. In fairness a Court of Law would deal with this more leniently than several crimes done over a period of time. A Court would tend to see the spree as one continuing event and most likely ascribe a single punishment reflecting the worst offence.

All of the above is simply a warning of how 'thinking' the new system is somehow inherently fairer may feed complacency by Admins. If not for the automated permanent banning I couldn't care less though if there is unfairness. 10 day bans are an embarrassment and a noticeable loss to regular members, but everyone on this board can survive even an unwarranted 10 day ban, even several of them, with no real permanent injustice being done.

I would recommend that the new system and even it's automated 10 day bans is fine but I would disable the automated Permanent Ban. If I may recommend a punishment more appropriate to a community based site like this I would change it to an automated 30 day ban after which a poll is posted on whether the member be allowed back on. If the member doesn't get a majority then another poll be held a further month later and only after failing to get a majority in a second poll of members should a permanent ban be enacted.

I don’t know how often people get permanently banned from here but I doubt it is enough to make doing this too arduous for the Admins. Also I think members would like to have a say in a permanent banning, but I would still retain a right for Admin to overrule a member vote and enact a long or even Permanent Ban. Or even allow a member back on even if they don’t get a majority, as the Admin may be more aware of contrition or not on the part of the offender. But at least they would have listened to the people.

PS. Don’t have a User Reputation feature. It would be a nightmare. The User Vote on Permanent Banning would be a sufficient democratic right of appeal.

[likearock00]

I've seen 2 issues:

1. The chat room seems to be messed up. There shows like 20-30 people in there, but nobody is in there. It may be a test but I thought you'd like to know.

2. The more pages that are on a thread, the wider the page gets. It never used to do that.

[nsap]

Originally Posted by likearock00

2. The more pages that are on a thread, the wider the page gets. It never used to do that.

All versions of vBulletin have done that.

[Old Dood]

Originally Posted by nsap

All of that depends on the infraction. The max an infraction will stay active is 6 months. So basically there is only a 6 month window when you can get those 15 points at one time.

But, does it affect my Car Insurance Rates? (Kinda reminded me of those...)

Just noticed this thread....another member threaten me with 'New Rules' so I went searching for them....