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Originally Posted by CmicasatheGreat

AUTOMOTIVE NEWS

Seriously... what's the point -

Hang on, CmicasatheGreat, AN's just stirrin' the pot - and things like that if you look at their overall effort today.

More to the point, they're tryin' to pull a little play on words - remember they appear to have been long Toyota and short GM for the last 10 -15 years.

From the original source article -

- “Due to capital constraints and the current economic climate, the 4.5-liter Duramax is on indefinite hold,” GM powertrain spokesperson Susan Garavaglia told PickupTrucks.com

. “It’s not canceled.

Should the situation change, we’re still very interested in adding this technology to our product portfolio.” -

And -

Garavaglia added that GM might license the 4.5-liter V-8 to an outside partner even if it doesn't build it on its own.

"If it was a win-win for both parties, we could potentially outsource production (of the 4.5-liter V-8) to a third party," said Garavaglia.

Now compare that last one to AN - as you correctly quoted -

Rights to the engine may be sold to another company, Garavaglia said.

See the diff ?

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Now lets just take the trash out - its Tuesday night.

Originally Posted by PhishPhood

Here's another view of reality. GM, Ford and Toyota together have all decided that diesel powertrains for LD vehicles are not going to fly in NA.

Complete and utter BS.

The decision path and the factors and choices that help make that are distinctly different at Toyota.

Toyota is an easy 5 years behind the rest on a power, performance, fuel economy, and emissions for this application because they foolishly believed they were going to have a usable HSD option available - Two Mode AND HSD shortcomings destroyed that - because they cannot match for this weight class - and the towing. ( They also believed fuel pricing wouldn't matter until later - but don't tell the Prius / Peak Oil people that. )

All three are on record as being against diesels for LD vehicles.

Totally false - as even the lead article here indicates.

There is a 'stack' of interrelated issues including a minor technical one - and some of this is because everyone got zigged with the oil bubble manipulation - with the diesel one on top.

You could say, a lack of money matters large as well.

The reason of course is the price of the fuel. HCCI is a better option because it uses the less expensive gasoline.

Yes and no.

None have 'exactly' the full story out - they are delayed for several reasons. ie for GM, Ford, and Chrysler it's a temporary setback and nothing more.

Toyota is hopelessly behind although they were tryin' really, really, hard and really, really, big to catch up - on the QT.

I may be wrong but give GM credit for not developing a technology that is certain to be ignored. This may not apply to dieseheads and truck enthusiasts but frankly these two groups are small minorities. They will have to take a backseat to the general population for which diesel anything will never fly.

In 5 years time, Light vehicle Compression ignition / Diesel will be easily outselling battery hybrids by 2:! in this country.

That's a conservative estimate and I'm not pulling a funny one by counting HCCI in the diesel column.

HCCI is farther away than most realize - for America anyway because of this and that in the real world. Europe, and possibly Japan will have it first - this is what happens when you let the POL people run your fuel and oil quality standards for and at their convenience.

( I sincerely hope all our Domestic OEM's will remember all the exact details on pt warranty pay and those costs during the 1978 -1988 period. If that doesn't work, go find the good stuff concerning the same and FI in the early nineties - especially for Nissan. )

. It isn't going to be just about Diesel doing well, its also going to be about battery hybrids failing to achieve profitable mainstream type cost structures - both for the OEM, and the consumer and some other stuff coming up on the outside product wise - in a failed economy.

Throw in the games the Chinese and Japanese are tryin' to run on critical raw materials and -

The only way this will not happen is if battery hybrids are massively subsidized and the penalizing of diesel is increased. ie both with breath taking and - beyond the pale bias.

Look, I can't post something that I would like to.

Your 'indirect' clues are the exact details of Honda's diesel delay, VW's one diesel delay, - and the European ones already present - and that are still coming.

You have to sort the wheat from the chaff to find it.

( There was one article out there a while back that basically nailed it )

Anyway, it's a bad toe stubbing it ain't a broken leg - or neck.

Evidently, fuel prices are not expected to be all that bad between now and then.