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Originally Posted by 2002 Caddy
That's funny, you post they are in 12th and that I don't know what I'm talking about...that I can't count, then you post a link that says they are 10th... Wow they already picked up two spots  ...GM math? You should apply in the Finance division. BTW my link are 2008 sales number yours are 2007... |
Your link it says that Hyundai is 5th as well. I said last I checked, I didn't have the numbers on me, now I did. The link I provided you includes all companies under the same management. Your link doesn't include all vehicles sold by the same management. The one I showed is missing some adjustments but are close to what is deemed accurate.
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Originally Posted by 2002 Caddy
Nope, here is what Lutz said about the Northstar replacement
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How many links would you like? How about this... find me ONE link that says GM is building a 32V replacement to the Northstar that is date stamped after April 2008. |
You can keep adding links all you want, but it won't make it any more right. Don't think the new powertrain facility is left with all the 4 cylinder engines...
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Those are moves in the right direction... Since the Cobalt's power train was "lacking" BUT the real issue with these cars (G5 too) is the exterior and interior styling and materials quality... Most buyers look at this first... And in this department these cars are very dated.
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If that were true, then explain why the only thing people actually "complained" about at the most recent product comparision people had other things in mind as to what they needed. There was the Cobalt XFE, Cobalt SS, Astra 3 XR, Civic SI, VW Rabbit. The negatives on the XFE and SS were minor things like short gears, too much support on the SS seats and not enough on the XFE, good but plain interior. The exterior the only complaint were the black on the mirrors and the antenna, and some didn't like the large spoiler on the SS. The Astra people found that it was a bit difficult to get into the back seat, but loved the entire vehicle styling. People seemed to like the more European interior as it was a pro. But then compared to the Civic, people said would rather drive the Cobalt SS or Astra because it had better handling, but they liked the gauges on the Civic, but not the radio. The Rabbit head to head with the Astra was generally neutral, except for the sporty look and red trim (which I also thought looked great on the black car). After we asked who liked the Astra or Cobalts, of everyone that said yes we had them talk to the dealership and sold 6 vehicles out of a group of 50 that day. When faired against the competition, the price difference and features between the cars, the Cobalt and Astra stand out. It can last 2-3 years without a problem and with the Cruze on its side it may actually drive up a few extra purchases to those who can't quite afford the Cruze, but have seen ads for it.
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Originally Posted by 2002 Caddy
Any facts to back this up or are you posting rumours too?
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I know a lot more than I can say. Some press releases have been hinting at some of the products, but nothing will be made official yet. One of them that I've seen in the studio is stunning.
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Originally Posted by 2002 Caddy
This time not from Lutz but from Jim Taylor "The current STS and DTS models will be dropped at the end of their respective product cycles"
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Like I said, not true. You will find out some other day.
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The bad news regarding#5 is built into links 4,5 & 6... or just Google "Cadillac DT7 on hold"
How about some details to back up your info? I would LOVE for all of your above info to be right and all of mine, which ALL comes from GM Senior Managers, to be 100% wrong...
There is a major STRATEGIC issue with GM's Cadillac line up... Lets say you are a 30's something CTS owner, who is doing quite well at work or in the market and in 2011 you want to upgrade to something bigger, fancier... (I'd call that person the PRIME DEMOGRAPHIC) So you are that guy, watcha gunna buy? Sadly with GM's Cadillac product placement the answer is, GS, LS, E, A8. See the problem?
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You rely on Google to make your arguements, which is the sad part. Rather there is one post on these forums with a very correct information on what is going on with this Cadillac. I can't repeat it, but search for it. It was made by a supplier.
Don't see a problem at all, because I know what is coming and exactly what I will want. Sure GM doesn't offer the $150k vehicle for when I own a $15m house. But they will have a vehicle for any type of activity I would like to do. Rather than ride the wave of rumours and continue to rely of Google to fetch all your rumours that get spun around so much that they become the "truth", start reading the original press releases carefully. Although one program may be put on hold, delayed or cancelled; does not mean that nothing is still being done.