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Old 09-06-2008, 12:35 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Re: Lutz Speaks On STS/ DTS

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Cadillac will still be offering V8, just as BMW will be doing. But read it in whatever way you want, afterall you should be president of GM you sound like you know everything.

#5? Have you not noticed that GM, Toyota, VW, Ford, Fiat, Renault, Honda and Nissan are ahead of them? Maybe counting isn't your forte. Hyundai last I checked was in 12th spot in the world.
Hyundai is now number 5 in the world... This is a fact.
Link to the numbers
Counting might not be my forte... But you need to work on your "checking" skills, they haven't been 12th for years

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What you said there makes no sense at all. Trucks still account for 22% of the marketshare. Luxury vehicles over $60k barely get more than 2% of the market. To anyone, it would make more sense to invest into a market that has good numbers. Trucks will continue to be sold regardless of gas prices. GM and Ford are in the best position right now as they will keep selling trucks, they have a more loyal clientele. Not only that talking about future products whether coming or not should not be discussed, especially something of this calibre. You are just assuming "guilty until proven innocent" theory.
Did you read my post... What I said makes no sense? Then you post something that agrees and supports my POV! LOL! What I said was it does make some sense to, from a pure business case bottom line pov, to sell and market trucks over a Cadillac that I would buy... It just breaks my heart. And it disappoints me that Cadillac and GM are walking (running actually) away from a market that only 7 years ago they dominated. And IMO killing a once great Division

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One car that sells? Cadillac will have much more than one car by 2011. But keep going off rumours and shortsightedness and it is obvious why you have no faith.


Shows your lack of market understanding, but thats alright we need trolls around on these forums. There is a lot more that isn't said on these forums, for that it will actually surprise a few people, but keep the naysers like you chugging along.
Lets review some facts and I'll post all of the supporting links if you like... I would LOVE you to prove me wrong on each one of these BTW... If they aren't true let us all know...
1) The Northstar replacement is dead... will never happen... The 32V Northstar, once the GEM of GM power-train is now outclassed by V6's it is no longer competitive and is a lame duck, it will die with the death of the XLR and the STS... within two years the older then dirt DTS will be powered by the DI V6...
2) The Cobalt will "soldier on unchanged"... a direct quote from Lutz
3) The 2009/10/11/?? Cruze is not coming here for the next MY or the MY after that... So much for rushing...
4) There are zero plans to fix, refresh or replace the STS.
5) The replacement for the DTS, the DT7 is on hold until 2014 at the earliest

Cadillac will have another car by 2011! FANTASTIC... take a look at the calender... its 2008, A division with "one car" for 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010... nice... They should recycle Pontiac's slogan.. "Cadillac is car" too... We could run with that until 2011 when we change it to "Cadillac is two cars"
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