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Old 09-06-2008, 10:24 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Re: Lutz Speaks On STS/ DTS

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Notice the slight difference in execution here... BMW: "less V8"; GM: "kill the Northstar replacement". NO luxury V8... Again at a time when we need every sale... you are telling me that if I want a state of the art 32V V8 I should shop at BMW. Can you see why that is a problem?

It will be interesting to see what happens to Hyundai in 2015. They just moved into the 5th largest auto manufacture in the WORLD spot.. This company went from cars that were a "joke" to #5 in less then 30 years... I agree some GM managers are going to be surprised in 7 years... But not in the way you think.
Cadillac will still be offering V8, just as BMW will be doing. But read it in whatever way you want, afterall you should be president of GM you sound like you know everything.

#5? Have you not noticed that GM, Toyota, VW, Ford, Fiat, Renault, Honda and Nissan are ahead of them? Maybe counting isn't your forte. Hyundai last I checked was in 12th spot in the world.

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Its good that GM is not releasing a new truck right now... They don't need to, their trucks are VERY nice, world class, and still profitable. GM knows it is easier to sell a Silverado and make the same profit as an STS... That's why the lack of focus on this car. I have to admit the business case is quite "obvious" spend nothing on trucks and make 2-$3000 per vehicle or spend 100,000,000 to fix the STS and make 2-$3000 per vehicle, knowing that for every STS you sell that's one less truck that you can squeak under CAFE.

The sad part of that accountant POV is that we are neutering the Cadillac division with ONE car that sells and we are moving Cadillac even further "down market" No "big" car, and no new V8 means that Cadillac will become GM's "Acura". What is GM's "vision" for Cadillac? do they have one? Are they trying to be MB? BMW? You can't do that without a "flag ship".. Our flagship is sinking... and Lutz refuses to bail.
What you said there makes no sense at all. Trucks still account for 22% of the marketshare. Luxury vehicles over $60k barely get more than 2% of the market. To anyone, it would make more sense to invest into a market that has good numbers. Trucks will continue to be sold regardless of gas prices. GM and Ford are in the best position right now as they will keep selling trucks, they have a more loyal clientele. Not only that talking about future products whether coming or not should not be discussed, especially something of this calibre. You are just assuming "guilty until proven innocent" theory.

One car that sells? Cadillac will have much more than one car by 2011. But keep going off rumours and shortsightedness and it is obvious why you have no faith.

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O'rely! GM's announcement to cancel any update to the "outclassed" cobalt and that it should "soldier on" is rushing small cars to market? I'll just head on down to my local Chevy dealer and order a 2009 Cruze... since they are rushing it to market now... I'll let you know how that goes.
Shows your lack of market understanding, but thats alright we need trolls around on these forums. There is a lot more that isn't said on these forums, for that it will actually surprise a few people, but keep the naysers like you chugging along.
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