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Old 07-18-2008, 12:41 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Can GM Come Back?

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The positives:

1. I think General Motors has its best senior management in decades.
I have to disagree ENTIRELY...
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2. The product launches over the last three years are second to none and future product appears excellent also.
have you been following the news at all??? I'd hardly call three mini cuvs and one mid size car and a 40grand plug in vehicle second to none
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3. JD Powers and the Harbour Report verifies that General Motors' quality and productivity is right up there with Toyota and Honda.
took them long enough.... 'standard of the world' finally holding true again?
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4. General Motors' pension is fully funded.
yup that is good
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5. General Motors is handing off responsibility for hourly retiree health care benefits to the UAW.
that is good too!
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6. General Motors series hybrid approach (Volt) appears to be superior than Hybrid Synergy Drive.
Toyota's synergy drive is proven and has been in the marketplace for almost 10 years. VOLT isn't even out yet or been tested fully (hell the batteries aren't even finalized yet). We'll see if this holds up when the cars start to show a little age.
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7. The Volt's development appears to be on track.
I hope so for their sake
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8. The Two Mode Hybrid appears better than Hybrid Synergy Drive.
details to back this up?
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9. General Motors is a leader in flex fuel vehicles.
Great feature, but what good is this when you can't get e85 in your town?
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9. General Motors appears to be the leader in fuel cells.
remains to be seen if that goes anywhere
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10. General Motors' June sales performance was better than Toyota's.
yeah but they gave those cars away...72 month financing?
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11. General Motors UAW agreement appears competitive with the transplants.
good news
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12. General Motors buyout programs are attracting enough buyouts.
again great news
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13. General Motors is doing very well in practically every market except the United States.
pathetic, but true... especially in China
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14. General Motors design/styling is the best in decades, probably since the Bill Mithcell era.
hum... there are still PLENTY of stinkers in the lineup but Welburn and Lutz seem to finally push for design again.
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15. General Motors has survived rough patches before. General Motors faced insolvency in 1909 and 1920 when they were bailed out by New York banks and the DuPonts, respectfully. General Motors turned itself around and thrived after these experiences.
true, but this is different... gas prices are not something they can adjust for quick enough and gas prices probably aren't going to go back down.
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An arguement could be made that General Motors is improving at an impressive rate and Toyota is getting worst. Toyota's recent product launches, such as the Corolla, Sequoia, and Tundra, are uninspiring and their quality and plant utilization is going south. It's not your father's Toyota anymore.
This I totally agree with, they definitely have had their growing pains!
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