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Originally Posted by stormwatcher

First thing I thought when I read the article is: "Is it true?" I've never heard of CNL

Nice try.

It's NLC not CNL.

Stands for the National Labor Committee.

- before, so if everyone wants to believe the story just because it is on the internet, go ahead. I will remain skeptical because I don't know so can't trust the source.

They are somewhat 'known' and their previous work was found to be 100% on the money.

If anything, they don't go far enough - or all the way in.

As far as not trusting the source - go ahead , check them, and their previous work out.

I did, before I joined this thread.

Disliking Toyota is fine, but Toyota has among the highest satisfaction rating with suppliers, far higher then the Detroit 2.8.

Once again, you don't seem to display that you have even read the posts you respond to.

Toyota in an earlier period as previously noted made an artform out of abusing their suppler base in Japan - especially after Honda got going and the first energy crisis .

The earlier period I'm referring to here predates the era of human trafficking or foreign worker in Japan under sweatshop employment ie pre '92 ish back to approx. '72/'76.

Toyota is hiring, investors are happy, and can't build cars fast enough to satisty demand. Yup, that's creating a lot of "unnecessary pain and suffering".

Well, workers are dying early and being injured and then fired or let go because of that - did you ask them ????

Let me make that a little clearer - you mucked up the obvious yet again.

Toyota would not be enjoying the same kind of success here w/o these labor practices and cost advantages they provide.

From that, some unspecified amount of American Domestic Mfg. automotive labor losses would not be occurring - if they didn't have to try and compete with 2.67 - 3.32$ per hour, with 75 hour work weeks and basically a terrorized into submission group of foreign workers.

These losses would also not be occurring in another way - as in regards to Toyota and anyone else - why the hell would any of them, including Toyota, use an American worker when they can have this kind of labor in Japan ?

And in case you missed it, why would Toyota use a Japanese worker in Japan if they can do it this way?

You did notice at least that part, right ?

Toyota's worst labor practices are reserved for foreign nationals - whether they work in Japan or somewhere else.

So this part of what they do hurts the Japanese labor force as well - which is also in the report - you'd now that if you'd read it - part of that is on page one at the top.

That's not all of it - did you even attempt to read the report ?