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My apologies, I guess I read anger into it, you can never really tell a persons demeanor through reading a post.
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Ya, it's hard to get any kind of emotion or feeling out of simple posts. Few if any of us are real "writers." I know I'm not. I use smilies a lot tho for that very reason.
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I truly wish you luck with that and if you did it and I knew you personally I would be at your graduation giving you high fives and major props. It is an accomplishment to be proud of.
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Well thank you. I won't be attending, however. It's too much of a big spectacle and such. They fill the football feild with graduates and family and friends and blah blah blah. I don't need that, I've better things to do with my Saturdays in the beginning of May. I didn't go to my community college one either, there was only 2 or 3 guys out of my class of 15 that went. We started with over 190 students and 15 made it all the way through. We went out drinking instead.
And I think for this one, I'd rather just have some people over on the back patio to hang out than get bustled into a football field and deal with all of that.
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Ok, you pigeon holed me here. I am a union man, but that does not mean my job is repetitious. I am in the elevator business. Rarely do I have a day where I do the same thing more than once. My job is interesting, dangerous, challenging and fun, I love it. Now my wages and benefits package actually dwarfs those of the UAW's, end I gots me a hi skewl edjumacation tew, if you want to debate my worth, I am game. I am behind my UAW brothers %100 and if they need me or my union we will do our best to be there for them. Its a brotherhood thing.
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You're right, I did. I just assumed you were a UAW line worker. Your type of unionization, I do not have issue with believe it or not. Mostly for the reason stated "Now my wages and benefits package actually dwarfs those of the UAW's." They are simply overpaid and too much of what they get paid goes to their own bureaucracy. The UAW is at least as bad as the companies they "protect" their workers from IMO. At least as far as "fat cats" go. And when I'm 14 stories up I'm glad you guys are there...I've actually thought about that before. But it's not a safety issue here. Toyota's cars are just as safe, of not more (arguably, though not by me) as the union assembled ones from the Big 3, are they not? But I don't take that meaning I embrace only the low paid unions either. Underwater welders are unionized and get paid a ton..and they should! That job sucks and is dangerous and takes skill. That is not something I would even pretend to be able to do. That's just one example I can think of now. But the jobs that require a certain skill set, or specialized training, or a certian type of person even, should be compensated accordingly. The jobs that anybody with mostly functioning limbs and at least partially functioning neurons can do, should not be getting $30+/hr, unmatched benefits packages and everything else that comes along with handing out gloves at Hamtramck Assembly for example. (Not an actual case, I'm just saying)
I guess I come off as sounding totally anti-union in any form. But really, my issue is with the UAW and CAW more than anyhting else. Unions do spawn a strong brotherhood and a great commaradarie between it's workers, or at least it should. I really don't see that too much in the auto industry anymore it seems. Maybe it's there and I'm just not seeing it. The bond unions forge is important to morale and morale is extremely important to production. I don't think anybody would disagree with me there. But I just don't see the UAW helping it much. If anything they've gotten way too big help it. It should be more of a community and smaller scale thing. But it's not just for union memebrs. My company has all sorts of it's own activites it does, some with union backing, but salary employees join in. We put the union/salary rift aside and all have fun. Some are purely company functions, but the same thing applies. Sometimes we just go out on our own "not official company sanctioned events" and have fun too. The only thing the union (at least CAW local 195) does is have the rare union rally or march. I think there's been one or maybe 2 that I've known about in the 4 years I've been there. And it's not like they're secret and they happen without me knowing. I was even invited to one...I respectfully declined.
I won't force you to stop rooting on your brothers, but the only thing that you have in the union label. It wasn't like that a long time ago, but in my eyes, that's all it is now.
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end I gots me a hi skewl edjumacation tew
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c00l. Me toos.
I iz edumacated, I haz pruf. 